How do Subgrades add 5 days to turn around? 0

[Sawse]

Are standard overall grades not based on the same 4 criteria that the subgrades would have shown anyway? 

If so - how does this add 5 days when your essentially just printing a different label?

If not - what is the standard overall grade based on?

[JoshsOddCollection]

When adding subgrades they have to determine the four different grades, whereas normally they only determine an overall grade. There was a post previously where an admin said that it takes considerably longer to grade, and that's what the subgrade cost is.

[Csmokey]

I feel like I am also missing something @Sawse.  It would seem like the process for grading would include the determination of the 4 attributes included with subgrades.

In my naïve understanding it just seems like Overall Grade = Centering Grade + Corners Grade + Edges Grade + Surface Grade (with some scalars to speak to how much impact the attributes have on the overall grade).  

Regardless of the actual equation used to define an overall grade it does seem it would be just a matter of recording the attribute grades that were already determined as part of the overall grade process.  I will try to find the post you are referring to @JoshsPkmnCollection because it definitely feels like I am missing some hidden complexity that would require any additional time/effort to record sub-grades. 

I would like to think that the evaluation of these attributes is an inherent part of the grading process.

[northkorea]

I believe the reasoning works as follows:

With subgrades, the individual subgrades are all guaranteed, versus no subs means just the overall grade is guaranteed. Because of this, it makes sense to have someone specific for each of the subs as a review specialist. Maybe each sub review desk only works once per week, so all the sub grades need an extra cycle (one week) to be reviewed.

[Sawse]

@Csmokey

It just doesn't make a ton of sense to me honestly. Presumably they have to record the Subgrades anyway in order to determine the Overall grade. Its just not printed on the label.

@northkorea

But the Overall Grade is based on the Subgrades for each category anyway. What you are suggesting is a recipe for problems...

Example; Why would I have my card scrutinized further by a "sub review specialist", as opposed  to the standard reviewer? 

If the Standard Reviewer isn't a specialist in those 4 categories, it stands to reason that the resulting grades would as a whole be higher without subgrades, as the standard reviewer is more likely to miss things that a specialist would not. 

At that point it gets to the issue of were essentially paying for them to be harder on the cards. When that happens, one of the grading types ( standard vs subs ) will be devalued. All that does is hurt their business. 

 

 

[PaulS.]

Hello,

When sub grades are not paid for, they are not recorded. If they were recorded, they would print on the label as there is no way for us to stop them from printing if the data is there. The reason why it takes so much longer to grade a card with sub grades is because without sub grades, the grade is only based on the lowest 1 or 2 sub grades. Let's look at example. Note I am not a grader, so the numbers I am using are just for explanation purposes only:

A grader has two identical Base Set Charizards. Nearly perfect Corners, Edges, and Centering. But both are folded in half. Without sub grades, the grader immediately identifies the surface grade as being the determining factor of the grade, because the overall grade can only be 1 point higher than the lowest sub grade. So in this scenario, if the surface grade is say, a 1, the card would grade a 2. But if sub grades were selected, the grader must look much closer at the card to determine the correct sub grades for the 3 remaining sub grades, even though essentially have no bearing on the overall grade. 

I hope that helps!

 

Paul