MCU Phase 4 is Over: The Support Group 1 1

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/15/2022 at 8:53 PM, chezmtghut said:

...I feel Quantumania may live up to my expectations better than most of what Disney has churned out in phase 4. GotG Holiday Special looks like it could be fun though.

I wonder if Quantumania will be the MCU's "return to normal". I hope so.

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/16/2022 at 6:31 AM, Cat said:

I now find the idea of rewatching any Marvel movie draining. They've sucked the fun out of me, and I still haven't watched the shows and 2 movies from phase 4 - Thor and Black Panther. I just couldn't be bothered. 

Man, those Phase 1-3 movies are so good in comparison to what we've got since 2019. There's drama and tension all over the place. The jokes mostly land. A simpler time, trying to tell human-driven stories (until the Thanos stuff ramps-up).

[Cat]

On 11/16/2022 at 10:11 PM, theCapraAegagrus said:

Man, those Phase 1-3 movies are so good in comparison to what we've got since 2019. There's drama and tension all over the place. The jokes mostly land. A simpler time, trying to tell human-driven stories (until the Thanos stuff ramps-up).

So good. Winter Soldier, Civil War, the first Iron Man, so many good films. Hell, I disliked Age Of Ultron when it came out, but it's a really rewatchable film, great one to just sit and watch again. Totally changed my opinion of it. Won't be seeing that with anything from phase 4.

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/16/2022 at 7:14 AM, Cat said:

So good. Winter Soldier, Civil War, the first Iron Man, so many good films. Hell, I disliked Age Of Ultron when it came out, but it's a really rewatchable film, great one to just sit and watch again. Totally changed my opinion of it. Won't be seeing that with anything from phase 4.

I'm still disappointed with Civil War. The plot is as weak as thin ice, but the Russo Bros did a great job in spite of that.

I was also disappointed that the Ultron minion design was better than Ultron himself.

[Cat]

On 11/16/2022 at 11:17 PM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I'm still disappointed with Civil War. The plot is as weak as thin ice, but the Russo Bros did a great job in spite of that.

I was also disappointed that the Ultron minion design was better than Ultron himself.

Yeah I'll give you both those points. 

[Brandon Shepherd]

I watched a lot of the Marvel movies in recommended order over release order on Disney+ in 2020/21, then ran out of steam after Black Panther. I enjoyed most of them but never really understood the hype, as in how people rave at how great they are, and how each release breaks opening day box office records. Don’t get me wrong, a lot of these are fun movies but I’m like, “are they really that good?!”

I concur with the previous comments about the over saturation of streaming content. I am so far behind now that I just don’t have in me to even try and get back into this. I was invited to go to the last Dr. Strange and then Wakanda Forever by a group of friends but I told them both times I couldn’t make it. I really could have gone but I was afraid I’d be lost because I hadn’t kept up with the previous films.

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/16/2022 at 8:44 AM, Brandon Shepherd said:

I watched a lot of the Marvel movies in recommended order over release order on Disney+ in 2020/21, then ran out of steam after Black Panther. I enjoyed most of them but never really understood the hype, as in how people rave at how great they are, and how each release breaks opening day box office records. Don’t get me wrong, a lot of these are fun movies but I’m like, “are they really that good?!”

I concur with the previous comments about the over saturation of streaming content. I am so far behind now that I just don’t have in me to even try and get back into this. I was invited to go to the last Dr. Strange and then Wakanda Forever by a group of friends but I told them both times I couldn’t make it. I really could have gone but I was afraid I’d be lost because I hadn’t kept up with the previous films.

If you haven't seen Infinity War and Endgame, you'll have no F-ing clue what's going on.

That said, I have to recommend that you take a break, and eventually get to Infinity War. I would say that it's objectively the best MCU film if it wasn't for a few others like The Winter Soldier.

If you don't really like any of the movies that much? Maybe you won't be impressed by Infinity War, and you're just done? I can respect that, too.

[drotto]

On 11/16/2022 at 8:44 AM, Brandon Shepherd said:

I watched a lot of the Marvel movies in recommended order over release order on Disney+ in 2020/21, then ran out of steam after Black Panther. I enjoyed most of them but never really understood the hype, as in how people rave at how great they are, and how each release breaks opening day box office records. Don’t get me wrong, a lot of these are fun movies but I’m like, “are they really that good?!”

I concur with the previous comments about the over saturation of streaming content. I am so far behind now that I just don’t have in me to even try and get back into this. I was invited to go to the last Dr. Strange and then Wakanda Forever by a group of friends but I told them both times I couldn’t make it. I really could have gone but I was afraid I’d be lost because I hadn’t kept up with the previous films.

Disney really has a feeding the beast problem when it comes to D+.  They have 2 IP's that are on the surface very stream show worthy, but that is really it.  I struggle to name other IP's that could be adapted.  Plus,  they do not seem open to cultivating new IPs, or being more creative with the remained of their catalog at this time.  It may just be they are overly risk adverse and these shows are expensive, or they just do not see potential in their remaining catalog.  I am just not sure.

 

If you look at Netflix, Amazon, or other streaming services. They either are more willing or have more freedom to try different things. Disney's only stratagy is pushing out content based on Marvel and Star Wars, and again, it has gotten to the point they seem to be hurting those brands. 

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/16/2022 at 9:28 AM, drotto said:

Disney really has a feeding the beast problem when it comes to D+.  They have 2 IP's that are on the surface very stream show worthy, but that is really it.  I struggle to name other IP's that could be adapted.  Plus,  they do not seem open to cultivating new IPs, or being more creative with the remained of their catalog at this time.  It may just be they are overly risk adverse and these shows are expensive, or they just do not see potential in their remaining catalog.  I am just not sure.

 

If you look at Netflix, Amazon, or other streaming services. They either are more willing or have more freedom to try different things. Disney's only stratagy is pushing out content based on Marvel and Star Wars, and again, it has gotten to the point they seem to be hurting those brands. 

Let's use a tenet of life as an example; Food. How many people get sick of chicken when they get into the workout life? Every single one. "Too much of a good thing" isn't a fairy tale. Everything requires moderation.

[Brandon Shepherd]

On 11/16/2022 at 7:20 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

If you haven't seen Infinity War and Endgame, you'll have no F-ing clue what's going on.

That said, I have to recommend that you take a break, and eventually get to Infinity War. I would say that it's objectively the best MCU film if it wasn't for a few others like The Winter Soldier.

If you don't really like any of the movies that much? Maybe you won't be impressed by Infinity War, and you're just done? I can respect that, too.

I liked Winter Soldier a lot actually. I was also surprised at how good the first Iron Man was way back in 2008.

Yeah, I burned out. I can only take so much campy dialogue, in your face attitude and special effects porn. Perhaps that comes with transitioning into middle age? 

 

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/16/2022 at 9:58 AM, Brandon Shepherd said:

I liked Winter Soldier a lot actually. I was also surprised at how good the first Iron Man was way back in 2008.

Yeah, I burned out. I can only take so much campy dialogue, in your face attitude and special effects porn. Perhaps that comes with transitioning into middle age? 

If VFX battles don't impress you, Infinity War may not be your cup of tea after all. It's dramatic and the characters mostly take the story seriously, but it's probably 85% green screen.

If you ever get the hankering for a CBM, though, you've watched everything else up until that point.

I like it when a story is dramatic and when characters take their roles in a story seriously. It doesn't matter how many VFX are in that story, to me, so-long as they make what's happening on the screen appear real. That's why I tend to enjoy the DCU movies more, but Marvel generally got it right for me in the first 3 Phases.

[Artboy99]

On 11/16/2022 at 7:20 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

If you haven't seen Infinity War and Endgame, you'll have no F-ing clue what's going on.

That said, I have to recommend that you take a break, and eventually get to Infinity War. I would say that it's objectively the best MCU film if it wasn't for a few others like The Winter Soldier.

If you don't really like any of the movies that much? Maybe you won't be impressed by Infinity War, and you're just done? I can respect that, too.

Winter Soldier is still my favorite MCU film, followed by the first Iron Man. Avengers: Infinity War is up there, I loved the film.

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/16/2022 at 9:57 PM, Artboy99 said:

Winter Soldier is still my favorite MCU film, followed by the first Iron Man. Avengers: Infinity War is up there, I loved the film.

Those 3 + Ragnarok are my go-to if I'm feeling Marvelous.

[jcjames]

On 11/13/2022 at 10:24 AM, drotto said:

Woohoo, onto Captain Marvel becoming the lead of the Avengers, and the face of the franchise!!!! I'm so excited.

The bored, stiff, lifeless face of the franchise 

 

[paperheart]

First Shang-Chi saved cinema, then WandaVision saved the world. 

[mattn792]

My take aways from Phase 4, based on a bunch of commercials and one movie:

Oh boy, another D+ series is premiering.  Haven’t had one of those in the past 4 days!  When do they add foil?

mutant-robot sex…why?

No Way Home…no thanks homie

 

[PovertyRow]

My top three are:

WWBN

She-Hulk: Attorney at Law

WWBN

There were several entries I could not finish if a movie (two I  was really looking forward to were Black Widow and The Eternals. Tried a few times and stopped about a third of the way in on both). Same with the series with Hawkeye, Moon Knight and Ms. Marvel being shows I could only get a few eps in. I DID watch all of WandaVision but was very dissatisfied with it.

 

[Ken Aldred]

For me, lost interest in the films when there was one negative consensus after another, Black Widow to the second Dr Strange, with only Spider-Man being the one I’m really interested in catching up with eventually.

I’ve no interest in subscribing to D+, so I feel a bit overwhelmed with the sheer volume of TV material that’s being produced, of questionable quality, and that I once again won’t catch up with.

There’s also the appearance of crossover between the storylines of some series, which leads to the same confusion or frustration experienced in comics.

Volume of material + crossover complications + churning out quantity while not maintaining quality, very reminiscent of Marvel comics in the early 90s. Not a good thing.

Too much to keep up with, and, overwhelmed, killed my interest in the process.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Ken Aldred

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 11/18/2022 at 6:07 AM, Ken Aldred said:

Volume of material + crossover complications + churning out quantity while not maintaining quality, very reminiscent of Marvel comics in the early 90s. Not a good thing.

As usual, you hit the nail right on the head.

[Cat]

I thought the Marvel low was GOTG2. Marvel had to invent a whole phase to prove me wrong.