eschnit Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/16/2022 at 2:09 PM, 10centcomics said: I was tempted to bid on the low grade (CGC 1.0) Suspense Comics 3 coming up in this week's Heritage Signature Auction. As I was poking around for historical prices paid for the book, I noticed that the same book (in a different holder by a competitor grading company) was sold by HA in 2017. Back then, the book was marked as incomplete, missing the final 4 pages. There is no such mention of missing pages in the 2020 grader notes (https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/2139877002/) for the recent listing. Link to 2022 Signature Auction: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/suspense-comics-3-continental-magazines-1944-cgc-fr-10-light-tan-to-off-white-pages/a/7283-93084.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 Link to 2017 Sale: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/suspense-comics-3-incomplete-continental-magazines-1944-cbcs-pr-05-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7158-91111.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 What's going on here? I don't think it was originally mistakenly graded by the other company. Nor do I think one of the owners magically stumbled upon the 4 missing pages and added them back to the book. It's possible the most current grading missed married pages but that seems unlikely based on how easy it is to identify married pages (misaligned staples, in consistent tanning, different cuts of paper, etc.) I took a closer look at the high-res scans and I think it's obvious the cover is the same based on the major chipping, the "a" pencil mark, and the ink stain on the top right corner. However, if you look at what's visible of the the interior pages from the cover scan, this does not appear to be the same interior book. The tanning of the pages are different but that could just be the scanner. More telling is the top right page corners: for the 2017 listing, those corners are flaked off whereas they look sharp in the 2022 listing. The center staple also appears to be positioned differently. It seems the cover from the 2017 book was married to a different coverless (but otherwise complete) copy and this went undetected. I could see how a married split cover would be harder to detect than a married page, especially given all the chipping defects and spine damage. If I understand correctly, CGC doesn't use green qualified labels for low-grade books. But if the cover is indeed married, shouldn't this be disclosed in the grader notes and does it still belong in a blue holder? Would love to get thoughts and comments from the community here. Thanks! Great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolverineX Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 It's gone 。 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DocHoppus182 Posted November 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2022 Jesus. I get why it was pulled. But for the record, I don’t care if it’s married, in fact, I’m cool with it. I will trade anything I have for it. 100% not BSing here. That is my end all be all book. Primetime, KCOComics, Larryw7 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 On 11/18/2022 at 3:55 PM, DocHoppus182 said: Jesus. I get why it was pulled. But for the record, I don’t care if it’s married, in fact, I’m cool with it. I will trade anything I have for it. 100% not BSing here. That is my end all be all book. It should have been stated but when you have a copy that is all that matters in any form fifties and DocHoppus182 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoppus182 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/18/2022 at 5:56 PM, comicjack said: It should have been stated but when you have a copy that is all that matters in any form Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 10centcomics Posted November 19, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/18/2022 at 3:55 PM, DocHoppus182 said: Jesus. I get why it was pulled. But for the record, I don’t care if it’s married, in fact, I’m cool with it. I will trade anything I have for it. 100% not BSing here. That is my end all be all book. I don't think a book's rarity or desirability should excuse it from being accurately and honestly described in auctions and grading. Safe to say everyone here would gladly have a Suspense 3 in any condition (restored, conserved, in tatters, married pieces, etc) in their collection but that's not the point here. I'm sympathetic to CGC that this is not an easy thing to detect. So going forward it's a risk that I will be more aware of when I buy books with split covers. And I'm glad Heritage did the right thing by removing the listing. Hopefully we'll see this iconic book in a future auction with an updated description so all interested buyers will have full information on the book. Thanks to everyone who weighed in on the thread! Primetime, KCOComics, Phill the Governor and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DocHoppus182 Posted November 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 1:04 AM, 10centcomics said: I don't think a book's rarity or desirability should excuse it from being accurately and honestly described in auctions and grading. Safe to say everyone here would gladly have a Suspense 3 in any condition (restored, conserved, in tatters, married pieces, etc) in their collection but that's not the point here. I'm sympathetic to CGC that this is not an easy thing to detect. So going forward it's a risk that I will be more aware of when I buy books with split covers. And I'm glad Heritage did the right thing by removing the listing. Hopefully we'll see this iconic book in a future auction with an updated description so all interested buyers will have full information on the book. Thanks to everyone who weighed in on the thread! Totally agree. I think everyone would like to know exactly what they would be buying before they plop down the cash. Primetime, Robot Man, fifties and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 I think only the cover is great who needs the rest MrBedrock, Larryw7 and Primetime 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/18/2022 at 12:55 PM, DocHoppus182 said: Jesus. I get why it was pulled. But for the record, I don’t care if it’s married, in fact, I’m cool with it. I will trade anything I have for it. 100% not BSing here. That is my end all be all book. You and me both. I don’t know I would trade anything I have for it. But I have lusted for it since the first time I ever saw it. I don’t care the condition as long as the cover is intact. This copy would more than suffice for me. But, like any book, I want to know what I am buying and be able to pay accordingly. Somebody really dropped the ball on this one! Larryw7, comicjack, DocHoppus182 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifties Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 What I've done when I simply can't locate a book I want, or until I do, is to buy a replica/reproduction of it on eBay, where there are several sellers of public domain books. the $14 copies have interior pages sorta like cover stock, the $150 copies have newsprint pages, and look and feel like the real thing. Now IDK if any are listing Suspense 3, but it might not hurt to contact them and ask if they could do one. comicjack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul © ® ™ 💙 ⚽️ Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 On 11/18/2022 at 8:55 PM, DocHoppus182 said: Jesus. I get why it was pulled. But for the record, I don’t care if it’s married, in fact, I’m cool with it. Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted November 28, 2022 Administrator Share Posted November 28, 2022 This book was returned to CCG to assess the grade assigned in 2020, and it’s confirmed the grade is correct. It appears that CBCS assumed the book contained 16 full wraps, when in fact the book has four tipped in pages in the front (16 pages) and 12 pages in the back. Also, the first 6 pages are not detached; only the centerfold is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 On 11/28/2022 at 12:18 PM, CGC Mike said: This book was returned to CCG to assess the grade assigned in 2020, and it’s confirmed the grade is correct. It appears that CBCS assumed the book contained 16 full wraps, when in fact the book has four tipped in pages in the front (16 pages) and 12 pages in the back. Also, the first 6 pages are not detached; only the centerfold is. Mike, that's not correct. If you look at the original back cover pictures, the interior pages clearly had rat chew. The new photos show no rat chew. The interior has been changed and the new interior is now complete. Because of the loss of paper around the center staple it's nearly impossible to detect the marriage. CGC needs to look at the old pictures. Point Five and 10centcomics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted November 30, 2022 Administrator Share Posted November 30, 2022 I received this message from the team: CGC reviewed the book again. The grade is now a Qualified 1.0 with married cover and centerfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BitterOldMan Posted November 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 1:07 PM, fifties said: What I've done when I simply can't locate a book I want, or until I do, is to buy a replica/reproduction of it on eBay, where there are several sellers of public domain books. the $14 copies have interior pages sorta like cover stock, the $150 copies have newsprint pages, and look and feel like the real thing. Now IDK if any are listing Suspense 3, but it might not hurt to contact them and ask if they could do one. PS Artbooks is producing a facsimile edition of Suspense 3 coming out late next April. I visit my LCS at least once a week to heard the latest comic news. I have some of their Phantom Lady copies and a complete set of original Phantom Lady comics. The copies are on slicker paper and an obvious copy. Larryw7, comicjack, fifties and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Balls Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) On 11/19/2022 at 7:33 AM, DocHoppus182 said: Totally agree. I think everyone would like to know exactly what they would be buying before they plop down the FAT STACKS OF cash. FTFY On 11/29/2022 at 6:23 PM, CGC Mike said: I received this message from the team: CGC reviewed the book again. The grade is now a Qualified 1.0 with married cover and centerfold. GLOD 1.0? So I have a chance... Edited November 30, 2022 by Dr. Balls DocHoppus182 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 11:44 AM, Dr. Balls said: FTFY GLOD 1.0? So I have a chance... Still with the 1.0 married i'm thinking a 15k book or higher szav and KCOComics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Balls Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 11:15 AM, comicjack said: Still with the 1.0 married i'm thinking a 15k book or higher I think that's a solid estimate. I'm kind of excited to see the (eventual) auction because the amount of people with war chests to go after that book is probably quite a few. GLOD or not, getting a piece of that book at a more accessible grade might turn out a lot of people. Maybe not the Blue Chip Big Dawgs, but I bet a lot of action nonetheless. KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 1:20 PM, Dr. Balls said: I think that's a solid estimate. I'm kind of excited to see the (eventual) auction because the amount of people with war chests to go after that book is probably quite a few. GLOD or not, getting a piece of that book at a more accessible grade might turn out a lot of people. Maybe not the Blue Chip Big Dawgs, but I bet a lot of action nonetheless. That book always brings out the bidders the cover just says it all Point Five and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Balls Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 11:26 AM, comicjack said: That book always brings out the bidders the cover just says it all It would sure look good in your sig line! Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
