phantomdj Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) I have a number of Silver age comics from 1964-1966 that had the back cover fold in half so there is a crease from top to bottom! My first thought was it was a way for the retail stores to "destroy" the unsold books. Why would anyone do that? Has anyone else seen this or knows why it was done? Finally, even if the front of the books are from a 7.0 to 9.2 but the back is creased like this, how does this affect the grade? Some are in the white and can't be seen all that well but still reduces the integrity of the book and will show when handled by the grader. Some cause noticeable color break. Thanks in advance. Edited December 10, 2022 by phantomdj Add pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomdj Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 @Funny Books sorry about that. Added some pics. Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 And you're certain there's no hint of a similar full-length bend/crease on the front covers (even one that may have been "pressed out" by a previous owner)? Larryw7, Luu2010, comicjack and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 likely 6.0/6.5 max cgc grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomdj Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 7:15 PM, zzutak said: And you're certain there's no hint of a similar full-length bend/crease on the front covers (even one that may have been "pressed out" by a previous owner)? That very well may be the answer. Is there a max grade then like @Funny Books mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 4:23 PM, phantomdj said: Is there a max grade then like @Funny Books mentioned? If your books were all 9.8 NM/MT aside from the full-length, color-breaking, back cover subscription crease, we could give you a ball-park maximum. But, even without seeing 'em, I'm willing to venture that they're not. If you want feedback on a specific book, consider assembling a complete set of images and then requesting opinions via the Spare-A-Grade (PGM) Forum. Good luck! Funnybooks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Matt Nelson once told me (he was with WW Comics before joining CGC). It doesn't matter if the book is in the excellent condition with the subscription crease. It will get 5.5 period. That's what he said. Luu2010 and comicjack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 9:19 PM, JollyComics said: Matt Nelson once told me (he was with WW Comics before joining CGC). It doesn't matter if the book is in the excellent condition with the subscription crease. It will get 5.5 period. That's what he said. What he said no better than 5.5 because of the sub crease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 6:23 PM, phantomdj said: That very well may be the answer. Is there a max grade then like @Funny Books mentioned? It is the answer and, yes, a subscription crease will result in a lower mid-grade cap no matter how nice the rest of the book looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 5:57 PM, phantomdj said: Finally, even if the front of the books are from a 7.0 to 9.2 but the back is creased like this, how does this affect the grade? I've seen subscription creases get a 7.0 max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 8:26 AM, theCapraAegagrus said: I've seen subscription creases get a 7.0 max. 7.0? I would hope not. An otherwise NM book with a sub crease should max out at FN- 5.5 I max out a book at 7.0 if a CB crease is more than an inch long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
