First Generation CGC Holders (2000-03) 1 1

[namisgr]

On 12/23/2022 at 8:44 PM, Brandon Shepherd said:

CGC has since stated that all of their holders are archival safe, and changing the holder every several years is not necessary. 

I just had a recent example of the quality of preservation in an original label CGC slab.  I bought the comic on the left, cracked it out, and made it part of my raw Marvel picture frame collection.  The differences in color are the result of the seller and I using different scanners plus optical effects of the slab.  I found that despite being encapsulated for 20 years (and imaged within a few years of being slabbed), the book still lay perfectly flat, had fresh interior paper (leaning toward white rather than the ow/w of the old slab designation), and cover paper and inks that were still bright, untoned, and rich.  It's only one example, and I'm sure that storage of other old label slabs has caused deterioration from storage under non-ideal conditions, but the good news is that books can survive at least 20 years inside a slab and retain great preservation essentially indistinguishable from shortly after being slabbed.

     

Edited December 25, 2022 by namisgr

[oldmilwaukee6er]

Here's my old red label Modern- probably never crack it, just let it age 

[Brandon Shepherd]

On 12/25/2022 at 8:07 AM, namisgr said:

I just had a recent example of the quality of preservation in an original label CGC slab.  I bought the comic on the left, cracked it out, and made it part of my raw Marvel picture frame collection.  The differences in color are the result of the seller and I using different scanners plus optical effects of the slab.  I found that despite being encapsulated for 20 years (and imaged within a few years of being slabbed), the book still lay perfectly flat, had fresh interior paper (leaning toward white rather than the ow/w of the old slab designation), and cover paper and inks that were still bright, untoned, and rich.  It's only one example, and I'm sure that storage of other old label slabs has caused deterioration from storage under non-ideal conditions, but the good news is that books can survive at least 20 years inside a slab and retain great preservation essentially indistinguishable from shortly after being slabbed.

     

That’s a beautiful book!

[djpinkpanther67]

I have these. I had the CM 1 reslabbed because the pedigree label really makes it pop.

[The Lions Den]

On 12/23/2022 at 7:31 PM, Sigur Ros said:

I think they're way past the 7 years CGC used to recommend getting them reholdered with new microchamber paper.  Either because the microchamber paper would stop absorbing the acids, or because they wanted more money by putting the scare into people.

The reason is still unclear.

 

I'd be thinking about a possible upgrade as well...  

[ADAMANTIUM]

These are the 5 of mine I could find easy

[MAR1979]

2/3 Self Submitted. Chrome Crisis may have been first CGC book I purchased on ebay.  

 

Edited December 26, 2022 by MAR1979

[Dark Knight]

These are my recent old label purchases

[MAR1979]

All of these are 1/1 9.8's in 1st gen slabs - determined via cgcdata as only 1 copy existing in 9.8 prior to July 2003 when 2nd gen labels were first used:

3 were self submitted

[MAR1979]

On 12/23/2022 at 7:58 PM, newshane said:

I will buy a book in the old holder, but they will get reholdered. The bonus is that grading was generally tighter back then, or so I’m told.

My opinions:

1) for the most part back then CGC on 9.8's was less lenient on non-color breaking spine ticks.  

2) Most of the graders were seasoned and business was less than today so they had more time to look at a book. The more time you spend analyzing a comic the more you will find wrong with it.

Curious about opinion of others on 1999-2003 CGC grading.

 

P.S. As for me I'll gladly keep the old holders   My ideal slab however would be first gen front label with top strip encased as on modern + modern slab clarity + first gen absence of newton rings

Edited December 26, 2022 by MAR1979

[MAR1979]

Here's one from 1999 I've posted a few times before. Early in CGC operation (testing?) is was not uncommon for page quality not be considered.  From my records I won this on eBay in April 2000 for $41 which back then was a bit high. It was my first CGC book that was not 9.6 or 9.8.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2022 by MAR1979

[MAR1979]

$10 each Raw from Motor City at a 1998 con. #2 is my only slabbed double cover.

Edited December 27, 2022 by MAR1979

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 12/27/2022 at 2:12 PM, MAR1979 said:

$10 each Raw from Motor City at a 1998 con. #2 is my only slabbed double cover.

Lol I picked up a raw of the first green team in the $1 bins when I first got back into comics. I was learning and it looked in nice shape, and I was discovering cgc, and it had notations on the cgc label  edit to say that I still have it, raw and in a box, saw it just the other day! Memories 

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by ADAMANTIUM

[MAR1979]

On 12/27/2022 at 3:35 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Lol I picked up a raw of the first green team in the $1 bins when I first got back into comics. I was learning and it looked in nice shape, and I was discovering cgc, and it had notations on the cgc label  edit to say that I still have it, raw and in a box, saw it just the other day! Memories 

 

Pretty sure I paid near double 1998 guide on it. Given how sharp both covers are it was a no-brainer.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by MAR1979

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 12/27/2022 at 2:41 PM, MAR1979 said:

Pretty sure I paid near double 1998 guide on it. Given how sharp both covers are it was a no-brainer.

 

 

Testing those early instincts, it's only 7.5, not sure how much of that is due to my early keeping of it though 😆

Not a double Cover on mine either ha! 

[lou_fine]

On 12/23/2022 at 4:31 PM, Sigur Ros said:

I think they're way past the 7 years CGC used to recommend getting them reholdered with new microchamber paper.  Either because the microchamber paper would stop absorbing the acids, or because they wanted more money by putting the scare into people.

The reason is still unclear.

 

I thought it was all to do with the microchamber paper and didn't really have anything at all to do with the longevity of the exterior slab itself?  

[lou_fine]

On 12/24/2022 at 5:42 PM, musicmeta said:

I have a bunch of the first old cases in my collection.  I guess I should send them in to be re-holdered but re-holdering is expensive so I've been putting it off.  Might be time to just go ahead and do it I suppose.

Never quite understood the rationale for this, especially when many boardies here have this opinion on the first generation slabs:  

On 12/24/2022 at 5:37 PM, southern cross said:

I like the old slabs as the books were more then likely not pressed as it was not the thing at the time.

If this is the generally accepted opinion with the first generation slabs, does this not meant that they should encourage higher bids upon resale?  

[MB1952]

I have a few early generation red label slabs. 
here’s one I found. 

Edited December 27, 2022 by MB1952

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