Question posed to experience and inexperience graders: How did this AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #194 get a 7.5. Detail pictures of before and after. 2 2

[Aundre Mignott]

This is a pleasant question that is more geared towards insight. I recently had this amazing Spider-Man #194 graded in the modern Tier. Grader notes do not match exactly the description of the book; but the nature of this project is to have the audience  formulate the answer from their observation. I have already opened up a ticket  ID: 164505, so this will be a little fun too. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here are the before pictures sending them out to CGC:

 

 The grading audience will observe that I also put the inside covers because in the past people have accused CGC of missed grading but in reality they were either staining, foxing or some form of anomaly in the interior of the book. I cover all bases including the centerfold by taking pictures and in certain cases filming it as a package the product to go out. Because sometimes it's actually the carrier that causes the problem.

Please be advised I am not a professional grader but I am a researcher at Columbia University and a student. (I am more into solving the problem then complaining)

Please; experience an inexperienced graders tell this "novice"   if I'm on the right track  and would you give this a 7.5 and do you see what grader observed in its totality.

Thank you

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by Aundre Mignott

[Funnybooks]

appears mis-graded to me based on pics and notes

[newshane]

Honestly, I'd need higher resolution pics. I can't blow them up large enough to really tell. 

Looks like a real pretty 7.5 though. 

[Aundre Mignott]

"Funnybooks" made a good comment and I  concur and to be impartial with CGC; I did not request a ticket to be open, they did it on their own. This is why I strongly suggest that high image photos of the comic books externals and internals be taken before you send them out, I know it's a lot of work but that's how I catch my mistakes. I know it happened to me with seven submissions  back with all of their  grades being below 9.8 and me thinking they were all going to be 9.8. I realize at that moment I needed glasses and a magnifier. So I bought electronic microscope and now these problems don't happen anymore. Maybe. LOL

[Aundre Mignott]

Yes, I would definitely marry that 7.5 over a 8.5 or 9.0. I thought I submitted high resolution pictures but I remember converting them down. I definitely submitted high resolution pictures to CGC. 

[Msgarmar]

Assuming you didn’t have it pressed? Any better pics of the spine? 

[Aundre Mignott]

Here's another photo in Hi-imagery

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/10/2023 at 9:39 PM, Aundre Mignott said:

Here's another photo in Hi-imagery

Is that not a crescent crease on the top edge near the right corner?

Edited January 11, 2023 by THE_BEYONDER

[Lazyboy]

I can't see enough to rule out a 7.5, but then I can't see enough to offer any kind of accurate grade.

Anybody who puts too much faith in CGC's PQ designations might want to check out this thread, though.

[theCapraAegagrus]

It looks like this has color-breaking creases along the entire top edge.

[zzutak]

On 1/10/2023 at 4:56 PM, Aundre Mignott said:

Grader notes do not match exactly the description of the book

I respectfully disagree.    In my opinion, 7.5 VF- is actually a generous grade, considering the color-breaking reading stress along the bottom half of the spine.

Here's an example of a "pristine" spine (belonging to a CGC 9.9 copy):

I hope this helps. 

[Aundre Mignott]

On 1/11/2023 at 7:46 AM, zzutak said:

I respectfully disagree.    In my opinion, 7.5 VF- is actually a generous grade, considering the color-breaking reading stress along the bottom half of the spine.

Here's an example of a "pristine" spine (belonging to a CGC 9.9 copy):

I hope this helps. 

 

[Aundre Mignott]

I looked at it under magnification and there is no reading color breaking  stress line. You can magnify the actual slab version and see that there is no color breaking reading stress line 

 

[Funnybooks]

we're likely splitting hairs at this point. this is a vf copy +/-. Better than fine but not nm. Black covers grade harsh and often do not get the benefit of the doubt. resubmit and roll the dice that you get graders that feel this copy is 8.0 or better. I would not if this were my book.

Also, not white pages if your photos are accurate.

[BlowUpTheMoon]

On 1/10/2023 at 7:56 PM, Aundre Mignott said:

I have already opened up a ticket  ID: 164505, so this will be a little fun too. 

Can you explain what this means? 

[B2D327]

On 1/11/2023 at 8:14 AM, Funnybooks said:

 Black covers grade harsh and often do not get the benefit of the doubt. 

when observed under lights at different angles, flaws like fingerprints, indentations, smudges, etc are all more evident when in hand

Edited January 11, 2023 by B2D327

[rjpb]

On 1/11/2023 at 5:14 AM, Funnybooks said:

we're likely splitting hairs at this point. this is a vf copy +/-. Better than fine but not nm. Black covers grade harsh and often do not get the benefit of the doubt. resubmit and roll the dice that you get graders that feel this copy is 8.0 or better. I would not if this were my book.

Also, not white pages if your photos are accurate.

Yes, hard to tell without the book in hand, but it does appear that there is enough minor creasing to knock it out of the NM range. 7.5 does seem on the low side of possibilities, but that's the gamble with CGC, sometimes you get the low end of the range, sometimes the high end, and sometimes the middle. It's a nice looking copy for the grade. 

[B2D327]

These creases seem to be more evident from the inside front cover and even if pressed out before submission, although not color breaking may have been visible due to reversion

[Aundre Mignott]

On 1/11/2023 at 9:50 AM, BlowUpTheMoon said:

Can you explain what this means? 

What  meant is the results should come in from the CGC customer service ticket and it should spread some  insight to the problem. All in all; it cost me $33 maybe another $21 to have it re-graded. I'm actually glad I didn't put it in the $71 Tier (Standard) 

[BlowUpTheMoon]

On 1/11/2023 at 12:38 PM, B2D327 said:

These creases seem to be more evident from the inside front cover and even if pressed out before submission, although not color breaking may have been visible due to reversion

I'm not seeing creases; I'm seeing the front cover artwork.