Msgarmar Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just an observation from a listing on eBay… Seems Todd decided to do some color touch when signing a very nice book and they called it a “sketch” on the label. In the description the seller states the sketch is Todd filling in missing ink from printing (part of the moon near Batman’s face that was missing on all copies). I found it interesting that they called this a sketch, and it’s not considered restoration. Just my ! Sweet book BTW. https://www.ebay.com/itm/385337255157?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=JlBh8G5IRuW&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=jCC3hjR7RT6&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 That's... Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Yeah not restoration, since it isn't actually covering a defect or 'restoring' anything...just a tiny blob of a sketch that so happens to fit neatly in the art that was never coloured correctly Lazyboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanti Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Your comment indicated the missing color was on all copies. So, the book would not be downgraded (manufacturing defect). My thought is, in this case it seems the color fill really did not restore as the ink was not previously there; nor did the color fill attempt to improve the overall grade since the book was not downgraded in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 9:23 AM, kanti said: Your comment indicated the missing color was on all copies. So, the book would not be downgraded (manufacturing defect). My thought is, in this case it seems the color fill really did not restore as the ink was not previously there; nor did the color fill attempt to improve the overall grade since the book was not downgraded in the first place. Just to clarify as well; this isn't even close to being a manufacturing defect, the color was never in the actual production art (as I cannot think of any situation that would result in print separations, or a digital rip, failing to print such a specific localized failure of color). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougC Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 This is more of an incorrect notation instead of "signed and sketched" it should be "signed and coloured" or "signed and inked" like they do with multiple artists on jam books for their specific part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msgarmar Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Anyone who thinks this isn’t restoration/color touch care to try the same thing Todd did on the same book and send for CGC grading? I’m not a betting man, but here I’d bet $$ you get a PLOD. crazyhips, Chief1332 and MB1952 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief1332 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Makes me wonder if there is more than just one. By any standard, it is manipulation of the original cover long after manufacture. Maybe, just maybe, CGC did not want to offend the owner of the books, and potentially lose future biz and decided upon a "way to satisfy the owner". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC25427N Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) On 1/12/2023 at 11:24 AM, Msgarmar said: Anyone who thinks this isn’t restoration/color touch care to try the same thing Todd did on the same book and send for CGC grading? I’m not a betting man, but here I’d bet $$ you get a PLOD. Well no because I'm not a CGC recognized creator. Anyone who thinks this is restoration/color touch should care to go to any convention and have any creator try the same thing Todd did on the same book in front of a CGC witness and send for CGC grading. I am a betting man and I'd bet $$ you get the same yellow label that this book got. But even not witnessed, it'd be green label Edited January 12, 2023 by JC25427N Calmics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC25427N Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) On 1/12/2023 at 9:23 AM, kanti said: Your comment indicated the missing color was on all copies. So, the book would not be downgraded (manufacturing defect). My thought is, in this case it seems the color fill really did not restore as the ink was not previously there; nor did the color fill attempt to improve the overall grade since the book was not downgraded in the first place. On 1/12/2023 at 10:27 AM, Sauce Dog said: Just to clarify as well; this isn't even close to being a manufacturing defect, the color was never in the actual production art (as I cannot think of any situation that would result in print separations, or a digital rip, failing to print such a specific localized failure of color). I don't know how anyone can read these two posts and still think this is restoration. The book wasn't "restored" to any previous condition. Some guy decided he wanted to have Todd color part of a book where there never was color. Some guys like a sketch of Batman's face on their cover, this guy wanted the moon colored in. Breaking it down abstractly, it's the same thing as a witnessed sketch. Adding ink to part of a book to where there was never ink, only this ink didn't make a conventional drawing, but that doesn't matter for this argument. If this guy had Todd ink in color-breaking spine ticks, or color over some part of the cover that had an ink transfer/ink pull, then we're in a whole other ballpark. tldr: It isn't 'not restoration' because the artist did it, it's not restoration because the added ink didn't restore the book to a previous condition. If it wasn't witnessed I'd expect a green label, not purple. But only if CGC was paying attention, which they're not known for always doing. Edited January 12, 2023 by JC25427N Calmics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 10:24 AM, Msgarmar said: Anyone who thinks this isn’t restoration/color touch care to try the same thing Todd did on the same book and send for CGC grading? I’m not a betting man, but here I’d bet $$ you get a PLOD. I would gladly take that bet, since you should get a GLOD or a nice downgrade. This is absolutely not restoration/color touch. Sauce Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 9:27 AM, Sauce Dog said: Just to clarify as well; this isn't even close to being a manufacturing defect, the color was never in the actual production art (as I cannot think of any situation that would result in print separations, or a digital rip, failing to print such a specific localized failure of color). Yeah, it's a production defect. Someone, somewhere, messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msgarmar Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 4:18 PM, Lazyboy said: I would gladly take that bet, since you should get a GLOD or a nice downgrade. This is absolutely not restoration/color touch. Sweet! Do it and let’s see what happens! I’ll pay grading fees if you get a universal! Calmics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 5:10 PM, Msgarmar said: Sweet! Do it and let’s see what happens! I’ll pay grading fees if you get a universal! Why would I want to deface my copy and/or send it to CGC? Anyway, even when it's actually and obviously color touch by some nobody, CGC still doesn't consider it restoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 They should have stated "embellished by the artist", as some artists will make additions to their original work. Hard to call it a sketch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I had heard MacFarlane didn't like how the cover turned out after the coloring/printing mistake. It always drew his eye and distracted from his art. I agree. I could never unsee those goofy parts the moon. Good choice Todd! No resto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
