Crossover Grading Question. 1 1

[BlackTerror98]

Okay I'll get right into it. I have a CBCS 6.5 Marvel Mystery Comics #34. I would like to get it crossover graded but some people at my LCS say that it is almost impossible to get the same grade. The owner said that they crack it out if they disagree with the grade  even if you do not wish to proceed. 

 

Anyone on here have first hand knowledge?

 

 

 

 

[Cat]

What do you mean 'if you do not wish to proceed'? You don't get given a grade through the plastic and then get the option to get it taken out and put in a CGC case. It gets cracked then sent to grading, where it is assessed as though it were a new book (which it is to them, they've got no idea of its former status). It's entirely possible for it to receive the same grade, I've seen it happen quite a few times. If the grade changes that's just as likely to be good as bad, no? 

[Dark Knight]

I've had 2 crack and resubs from CBCS to CGC.  The first one received the same grade.  The second submission got a half a grade bump down. Take it as it is, but there is absolutely no guarantees your book will grade the same, higher, or lower.  Also a small possibility that it may potentially be graded as restored, trimmed, etc. from CGC.  It's a gamble.

[Cushing Fan]

I've had a Silver Surfer 1 CBCS 8.5 get regarded as a CGC 9.0 (but the page quality dropped) and a Fantastic Four 72 CBCS 9.0 get regarded as a CGC 9.0 (page quality stayed the same). I wouldn't expect a PGX book to receive the same grade if submitted to CGC though.

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/15/2023 at 8:52 PM, BlackTerror98 said:

Okay I'll get right into it. I have a CBCS 6.5 Marvel Mystery Comics #34. I would like to get it crossover graded but some people at my LCS say that it is almost impossible to get the same grade. The owner said that they crack it out if they disagree with the grade  even if you do not wish to proceed. 

 

Anyone on here have first hand knowledge?

 

 

 

 

How’s the book look in hand?  Do you think it’s a strong or weak 6.5?

[mtracy64]

I wouldn't be overly concerned about getting the same grade. If it comes back as a CGC 5.5 or 6.0 it's still worth more than a competitor's 6.5, and there's at least a small chance that it comes back a 7.0. It's worth the risk unless it's restored, trimmed or obviously overgraded.

[Sigur Ros]

On 1/15/2023 at 8:52 PM, BlackTerror98 said:

The owner said that they crack it out if they disagree with the grade  even if you do not wish to proceed. 

He's wrong, or you misunderstood.  

They crack it out regardless.  They can't grade it in the plastic.

Also, they aren't going to grade it then call you to see if you want to proceed with encapsulation.

I would suggest a grade screen if you're concerned, but for some reason, only at CGC, you have to submit a 25 book minimum.  

Edited January 16, 2023 by Sigur Ros

[Stronguy]

The last (and I mean last as in the final also) time I did a crossover, where CGC cracked books from another slab, they did a visual inspection before cracking and emailed saying something like, "After visually inspecting this book we think it will grade (whatever grade, usually lower than what's on the slab you sent).  For $100 (or whatever) we can press the book but there is no guarantee that it will result in a higher grade."  I submitted about a dozen high value books.  About half got this type of response.  I declined all of their pressing because some of those books had been higher grades in CGC slabs prior to them being re-graded by Voldy.  Almost all of them came back lower than Voldy, which means they were 2 grades below what CGC originally graded them.  If it looks like a fish, swims like a fish, and smells fishy... it's probably a scam.

Always crack your own books before resubbing.

[topcat54]

On 1/16/2023 at 7:43 AM, Sigur Ros said:

He's wrong, or you misunderstood.  

They crack it out regardless.  They can't grade it in the plastic.

Also, they aren't going to grade it then call you to see if you want to proceed with encapsulation.

I would suggest a grade screen if you're concerned, but for some reason, only at CGC, you have to submit a 25 book minimum.  

Just trying to figure out where you seen You have to submit a 25 book minimum 

As far as I know you can send in 1 book at a time if you so wish to do so.

[Sigur Ros]

On 1/16/2023 at 8:21 AM, topcat54 said:

Just trying to figure out where you seen You have to submit a 25 book minimum 

As far as I know you can send in 1 book at a time if you so wish to do so.

Not for pre-screen.

That'll change sometime.  They are slowly adding more and more features taken from the competition

Edited January 16, 2023 by Sigur Ros

[Ferretboy]

I think the 25 book minimum he is referring to is specifically for grade prescreening..

[mtracy64]

On 1/16/2023 at 8:01 AM, Stronguy said:

Always crack your own books before resubbing.

Yes, this. 

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 1/16/2023 at 8:42 AM, mtracy64 said:

On 1/16/2023 at 7:01 AM, Stronguy said:

Always crack your own books before resubbing.

Yes, this. 

Unless they're signature series, I repeat, do not crack your own signature series books  

[mtracy64]

On 1/16/2023 at 9:45 AM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Unless they're signature series, I repeat, do not crack your own signature series books  

Yes, but it only matters if it's CGC SS since CGC doesn't honor authentication by competitors.

[bc]

Like others, have had mixed results with crossover grading about 10 books.

Half stayed the same grade, half were one step lower. None went higher. Think the PQ changed on at least a third of them as well.

Good luck!

-bc

[Jasonmorris1000000]

The only Golden Age CBCS books I had done came back lower and with worse page quality.  I had to get them done though because all my other Venus comics are in CGC holders and it was messing with my OCD.  The #3 was a 6.0 and #4 was a 5.0