Marvel Mystery 1-50, documented pedigrees

[tb]

L: Larson

PC: "Pay" copy

D: "D" copy

CH: Chicago

SF: San Francisco

BA: Big Apple

RM: Recil Macon

PA: Pennsylvania

 

1 PC90 L85

2 L90(EP) (L85)

3 L85

4 L55

5 L80

6 L85

7 L92 (L85) RM75

8 L80

9 L55 (L50(SP))

10

11

12 D85

13 RM40

14 L92

15 RM90(SP)

16

17 L75 SF70

18 RM94 (RM92)

19 L90

20

21 D90

22 D80 CH92 (CH90)

23

24

25 CH92

26

27 R70

28

29

30 RM80

31

32

33

34 SF85 (SF80/SF70?)

35 SF70 PA92

36

37 PA80

38 CH85

39 CH90

40

41 CH90

42

43 CH92

44

45 D85 BA55

46

47 D80

48

49

50

[Arty]

I was wondering what those grades in parenthesis are and why some grades weren't same as in pictures I have saved in my computer....

Damn.. they are resubmits??!! Where did you get that info Larson MM2 and MM4 info?

 

In fact there are EVEN MORE resubmits...

I made this double checked pedigree list from heritage info:

 

Marvel Mystery pedigree copies

 

D-copies

MM21 VF/NM9.0 Cr-OW

MM46 VF+8.5 OW

MM70 NM9.4 CR

MM71 NM 9.4 CR-OW

MM83 VF 8.0 Cr-OW

MM85 NM 9.4 OW

MM86 VF 8.0 OW

 

Larson

 

MM3 VF+8.5 OW-W

MM4 FN-5.5 OW-W

MM5 VF8.0 W

MM7 VF+8.5 OW-W --> (NM-9.2 OW-W RESUB)

MM8 VF8.0 OW

MM9 VG/FN5.0 OW (SP) --> (FN-5.5 OW UNRESTORED RESUB)!!!

MM14 NM-9.2 OW

MM17 VF-7.5 OW

MM19 VF/NM9.0 OW-W

 

Recil Macon

MM7 VF-7.5 OW

MM13 VG 4.0 OW-W

MM15 VF/NM9.0 (SP) OW

MM18 NM-9.2 OW --->(NM9.4 CR-OW RESUB)

MM30 VF8.0 OW

 

Chicago

 

MM22 NM-9.2 OW

MM25 NM-9.2 OW-W

MM38 VF+8.5 OW-W

MM39 VF/NM9.0 OW-W

MM41 VF/NM9.0 OW

MM43 NM-9.2 W

MM51 VF/NM9.0 OW-W

MM54 NM-9.2 OW-W

 

San Francisco

 

MM17 FN/VF7.0 OW-W

MM34 VF8.0 OW-W ---> (VF+8.5 RESUB)

MM35 FN/VF7.0 W

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tb]

Yes, I found a bunch of resubmits but that should hardly be

any surprise. Most were within one notch.

 

Some of the grades are pre-CGC - I took the most solid grading

data I could find for each issue: AACG(?) for Sotheby's, by Christies,

All Star etc. When the same issue was graded multiple times, I

put them in parenthesis for completeness (same for issues that

CGC has graded multiple times).

 

List is still far from complete, but it should already cover most

of all pedigrees sold at major auctions in the since 1990. I

have not included rumors, second-hand reports etc. - only

what I consider to be solid data.

 

 

[Arty]

Yes, most resubmits are within one grade. Most are former Nic Cage books so I think that those graders just saw too many high grade books at the same time, so their grading was ultra-strict.

 

 

[tb]

Thanks for the corrections & additional refs, btw. I am going to add those in.

 

One early observation is that I have not seen a single Church copy among

the first 50 Marvels. This is interesting given the large number of Adventure

and More Fun Church copies that have been offered in the last 5 years (along

with some scattered Action and Detectives). Also, given Nic Cage's focus

on pedigrees & this series, I bet he would have traded his Oscar

for an early Church Marvel. Thus, it seems likely that these have not been

on the market for a very long time... Does anyone have the scoop on this?

Is the run still intact somewhere?

 

 

[PedigreeMan]

Thus, it seems likely that these have not been on the market for a very long time... Does anyone have the scoop on this? Is the run still intact somewhere?

 

John Verzyl of Comic Heaven owns most of the Church Timelys.

 

And no, I do not have any "proof" ... just one of those things you hear through the grapevine from people (Chris Foss of Heroes & Dragons in this case). YMMV.

 

Al

 

 

[tb]

Arty, I added your info; thanks again for ironing out my typos.

 

I'll have to triple check on the SF#34 - unless I made a mistake

in my first listing, this could be the first book I know of that has

been bumped twice...

 

 

 

 

[lou_fine]

PedigreeMan is correct in his assertion!

 

I have heard from long-time dealers such as Fishler and John Snyder that John Veryzl does indeed have ALL of the Church Timelys as part of his personal collection. There are a few exceptions to this with the Captain America #1 being the major exception. If you are wondering, I do not believe that you will be seeing any of these Church Timelys entering into the market at any time within the foreseeable future.

[tb]

Thanks Lou, Al. Wow, I can't believe Verzyl has kept these for so

many years...

 

Note to self:

Adventure 78: C92

More Fun 70: C96

 

[blowout]

John Veryzl does indeed have ALL of the Church Timelys as part of his personal collection.

 

Wow, thats some collection of books. Do you know if he got them straight from CR after the find or did he aquire them later?

[ghoulaid]

He acquired them sometime later. He also doesn't own the Church copy of Red Raven #1 (and probably others). At one time I owned some Marvel Mystery Church copies that I got straight from CR. A couple issues somewhere between #31 - 35.

[Timely]

I own the Mile High/Church copy of Marvel #89, it is a 8.5. I also have:

Marvel #7 9.2 Nova Scotia

Marvel #16 9.2 San Fransisco

Marevl #56 8.0 Rockford

 

John Verzyl has been a close friend of mine for 11 years. He will NEVER sell those books, so do not bother! He loves them, can you blame him!?!?

 

Timely

[tb]

Thanks. When I made these lists, my hope was that they would inspire

owners of pedigree books to come forward so we could assemble the first

ever comparison of the most famous collections. Wish someone could

inspire Verzyl, Anderson, Berk, Geppi & Co. to help improve the list...

 

 

 

[murph0]

I missed this thread, I owned a few Marvel Mystery issues.. 24, 35 ,45, and 48. All were raw, I know what some of them came back as though. On the 24, the nicest copy is non-pedigree. Mine came back a 7.5, however, I don't believe 2 of the copies which are nicer (and pedigrees) have been graded. My 35 came back a 6.0, not sure what the 45 or 48 were though (both were 7.5's IMO).

 

Brian

[murph0]

Found the following

#3 - Chicago CGC 8.5

#33 - Rockford CGC 9.0

#42 - Rockford CGC 7.0

#48 - Rockford CGC 9.2

[tb]

Since this is such a key title, I expanded orginal list from 50 to 100 copies.

Thanks a lot to arty, murph0, timely, and ghoulaid for corrections and additions.

Interesting to note that only a single Church copy has been documented so far.

A large set of Crowley copies sold together at Christie's as a single lot.

 

L: Larson

PC: "Pay" copy

D: "D" copy

BA: Big Apple

C: Church

CA: Cosmic Aeroplane

CH: Chicago

SF: San Francisco

CR: Crowley

BA: Big Apple

RM: Recil Macon

PA: Pennsylvania

NS: Nova Scotia

O: Okajima

 

1 PC90 L85

2 L90(EP) (L85)

3 L85 CH85

4 L55

5 L80

6 L85

7 L92(85) RM75 NS92

8 L80

9 L55(50(SP)) - note: regraded as unrestored

10

11

12 D85

13 RM40

14 L92

15 RM90(SP)

16 SF92

17 L75 SF70

18 RM94(92)

19 L90

20

21 D90

22 D80 CH92(90)

23

24

25 CH92

26

27 R70

28

29

30 RM80

Note: several Church copies #31-35 known to have been sold

separately from remaining set.

31

32

33 R90

34 SF85(80)

35 SF70 PA92

36

37 PA80

38 CH85

39 CH90

40

41 CH90

42 R70

43 CH92

44

45 D85 BA55

46 D85

47 D80

48 R92

49

50

51 CH90

52

53 R75

54 C92

55 O75

56 R80

57 O85

58

59

60 CR80*

61 CR80*

62 CR80* C85

63 CR80*

64

65 CR80*

66 CR80*

67 CR80*

68 CR80* CA90

69 CR80*

70 D94 CR80* BA94(86*)

71 D94 CR80*

72 D85

73 CR80*(2 copies)

74 CR80* CA90 D94

75 CR80*

76 D85 CR80*

77 CR80* BA94(86*)

78 D80

79 CR80*

80 CR80* D92

81 CR80* D90

82 D85

83 D80 CR80*

84 CR80*

85 D94 CR80*

86 D80

87 D90

88-100: no copies recorded so far

 

[ghoulaid]

I'll dig around and see if I can find exactly which Church Marvel Mysterys I had. Most of the time I keep accurate lists and I'm sure we all appreciate accuracy in projects such as you're doing.

[stagedoorjohnny]

 

At Wizard World Chicago, a dealer (and I forgot which one) had MM#17 Chicago copy for sale. It was a 9.6, slight professional resto. PLOD or not, that book was absolutely stunning.

 

Stagedoorjohnny