Water stains

[blowout]

.....how many grade points would you guys knock of for a water stain.?

.....and would it fall down less if it was only on the back cover..........

 

.....this guy is screaming blue murder over the grade cgc gave his ASM #3.......

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=722041883&rd=1

 

...it does have a nasty water stain on the top right corner of the back cover, which is presumably resposable for the low cgc grade.............i have to agree with the seller that other wise the book looks like a VF.................

[murph0]

Without being able to see the full damage of the water stain...from the scan the book looks like a Fine.

 

Brian

[supapimp]

looks like F+ 6.5 at first and then was knocked down 1.5 to VG/FN 5.0 which is about right. but that's just my two bills

[ArAich]

 

I hate water stains and would not knowingly purchase a book with them. Also if you look closely there is a crease on the front and back cover along the top edge of the book like something heavy fell on it denting the whole book.

The grade looks right on to me. But what do I know.

[MonumentalCo]

Without having the book in hand it's a tough one to grade. It looks really nice overall. It is a very nice copy with nice eye appeal. The stain does hurt the books grade some. Did anyone else notice any other defects?

[Guest]

the guy is complaining because his stained book didn't get a VF grade? I don't know what CGC's policy on staining is (and no one but CGC does,) but Overstreet clearly states that only "slight, staple rust migration" is allowed in the VF grade. Other staining is only allowed in grades FN and below. So it looks to me like CGC was spot-on and this guy needs to look at the grading guide again.

[MonumentalCo]

If I remeber correctly you are not allowed stains in VF according to Overstreet Guide. Here are a few things that I saw in the scans.

 

-cover is not centered.

-top corner is slightly rounded

-some small stress creases to spine

-stain on bc

-appears to be a crease on top of the bc (unsure as I can't totally see it in the scan)

 

This is a great copy and very nice! A great copy since it does not have Marvel Chipping!

[Guest]

If I remeber correctly you are not allowed stains in VF according to Overstreet Guide.

 

Yes. Like I said, no staining other than "Slight staple rust migration" is allowed in VF. Minor staining that doesn't detract from the overall appearance of the book is allowed in FINE. so I don't know what this guy's beef with the grade is.

[comicinvestor-migration]

so I don't know what this guy's beef with the grade is.

 

It's pretty obvious that he paid a VF price for it, and CGC gave it a VG/F. I do think he's got a beef with CGC leaving a fold-over when slabbing.

[MonumentalCo]

CI,

Where is the fold over? I may have seen it but I am not sure.

[comicinvestor-migration]

Bottom right (non-spine) corner on the back cover.

[blowout]

........i noticed the fold-over on the back too.......i can't believe with the 'so called precision' the cgc inspects the books that something like this can be allowed to happen.............

[Gorgo]

That's nothing compared to my ASM #3. CGC gave me a 5.5 on it, and it has no stains, no creases, is flat & clean & I pre-graded a conservative 7.0. I'm still trying to post scans (detailed) on here to show the forums what I've received, but can't figure it out. I'm so upset with this bogus grade (and dozens of others) that I'm going to crack it out, read it, and put it back in my collection where I should have left it in the first place.

 

 

[supapimp]

have you called them and asked them why you got shafted? they'll tell you

[Gorgo]

Supa, no, I gave up on calling them, because it's a waste of time. The answers are always just enough to leave you puzzeled, and you hang up wondering "man, I should have asked them more questions, I don't see how what they said could have dropped my grade..." They sent me grading notes once, but they say they're too busy & call them from now on, something like that. Guess it's difficult to type in the 3 or 4 defects on this one. I like written correspondence on stuff like this, gives me time to review the defects while looking at the grading notes.

 

I like the containers for protection, but am holding the rest of my high grade collection for another firm to grade/slab my books. CGC has blew it with me on way too many occasions for me to continue to use their services. I had over 1,000 other silver age keys (most ultra high grade) in several boxes that I was going to submit pending how they handle my most recent requests for simple e-mails (grading notes), etc. on my recent grading (horror) experience and I decided put them back in storage (my wherehouse space) to rest in peace with all the others for another decade if necessary.

[Gorgo]

By the way Supa, like the new pic, looks like a great place to come & have a drink! The wife & I are headed up to the Raiders/Patriots game soon & we'd love to hit that place & have one of your specials!

[Guest]

That's not Supa's workplace! That's his bedroom, complete with all the "liquid assets of home" Most bartenders can drink us all under the table and into a shallow grave before they'd even get woozy!!!!

[Gorgo]

Whoa, man if that's the case, looks like a real training facility for the pros!

[supapimp]

gorgo,

 

let me know when your coming down...i'll hook you up, but im a raiders fan so be weary!

 

supadupa

[Gorgo]

Supadupa, will do! Looks like the Raiders got stuffed today, whoa, I'm completely shocked! Oh well...