New 3,000 Golden Age Collection/Pedigree Revealed in CBG

[Sal]

The fact that the Superman and Batman from #50 on appear to be unread high end copies as well as hundreds of other Golden and early Silver Age Comics, is a newsworthy event.

 

Hi multicynic

 

Welcome to the boards. In what I have seen posted so far, the books are very nice but I think that you may be a tad overly optimistic in your grading. Also, can you please refrain from the CGC keyword spamming. It is against eBay rules and annoying to us who search for slabbed books. Since you are a long time eBay seller with over 1000 transactions, I thought you would like to know, in the event that you were not aware of this.

 

CGC spamming

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-Comics-Kid-Col...1QQcmdZViewItem

 

i want to reiterate this point. please stop putting CGC in your sales titles if you aren't selling slabbed books!

 

oh, and congrats on the buy!

[whomerjay]

 

Hello,

 

I have been collectiing/buying and selling golden age and silver pedegree (Mile High, San Francisco, White Mountain etc.) comics for the past 15 years.

I had a chance to see the books and was astounded by the size of the collection, with a large number of them being very high grade.

Jack and Julie will do very well with this collection, both because they love the comics and because they will profit from them.

Whenever a collector scores a major collection I am happy for them, and I certainly have NO respect for anyone who posts negative things about someone elses good fortune. This is a sign of sour grapes and insecurity.

 

I wish someone would "bash" me and "trash" my purcharse of a similar collection the way Mark did. "the nicest people", and many positive comments about the collection. I doubt there is anyone on these boards who chooses his/her words more carefully than Mark, and is more positive and constructive in his posts (and most people recognize this). Sometimes it seems like aliens are reading posts on this board with a broken secret decoder ring. People state 2+2=4 and someone has to chime in either that it isn't or offer some convoluted explanation on the merits of the equation, or impugn the poster's character for giving an opinion these baords were intended to solicit.

 

[MCMiles]

Sort of like if two guys ask out the same girl, and the guy that misses out says "well she was ugly anyway". A.) Sounds like jealousy wether it was true or not. B.) Insults the other guy and his new girlfriend

 

Nope, it's more like if a guy asks a girl out, she says yes, but only if you take me to the most expensive restaurant in town. He declines, but his friend agrees, then the first guy says "Nice rack but kinda ugly, and no way she is worth a $300 dinner tab".

 

Either way, the comments could easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting, even if they were not intended to be.

[awe4one]

Either way, the comments could easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting, even if they were not intended to be.

 

Please spare us...if that is what you read, you need a thicker skin. Just because someone may have an firsthand opinion about a collection that isn't all rosy doesn't mean the messenger is being condescending, insulting, or even negative. It's an opinion and needs to be read as such. To search for some hidden negative agenda where there is none is just going to make you seem to be the one casting negative comments out there for consumption...

 

Jim

[ft88]

Jeez give the guy a break. You don't tell new parents their baby is ugly, even if it is.

[MCMiles]

Either way, the comments could easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting, even if they were not intended to be.

 

Please spare us...if that is what you read, you need a thicker skin. Just because someone may have an firsthand opinion about a collection that isn't all rosy doesn't mean the messenger is being condescending, insulting, or even negative. It's an opinion and needs to be read as such. To search for some hidden negative agenda where there is none is just going to make you seem to be the one casting negative comments out there for consumption...

 

Jim

 

Don't quote me if you are talking to the owner of the collection. If you are talking to me, try reading my posts, which are pretty neutral, before responding.

[Comcasthawk]

If it LOOKS like a DUCK, it probably IS a DUCK. Decide for yourself.

Thanks again for all the great comments. You made my day. There will be a real nice Captain Marvel #32 listed later tonight for any Captain Marvel fans out there.

Jack Juka

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230019136943

 

I would bid on some of your books, but your shipping is way too high, $7.00..!!!

[Comcasthawk]

 

I think, with the impact of ebay, CGC, and well advertised auction sites, the days of the dealer buying collections at low percentages of retail value are eventually going to be gone. Many can sell their collections on their own or consign the collections rather than sell at 50%. Even the folks that want to just dump all at once and not make the effort to sell can realize more by finding a serious collector to purchase. For instance, I guarantee I can pay more for a collection than a lot of dealers because I don't need to sell the books in order to eat, and I have enough faith in this hobby to feel safe investing in these gems at pretty high percentges of value. I can also lower my investment in the good stuff by selling off the stuff I have less interest in. Not to mention, even if I loose money, I enjoyed the comics. I bought them because I love them.

 

I'll never understand the "mentality" of people who call themselves "dealers" thinking that they should always pay pennies on the dollar for a book, or books, or a collection of books because they are the "dealers" in the hobby....

 

Why should a seller take less from a dealer because he is a "dealer"....?? A seller that knows what the books are worth on the open market does not need a "dealer" anymore when collector's, like me and you, can now get involved in the sale of someone's collection.

 

I feel so "sorry" for the "dealer"......they can't rape anyone anymore......and that includes the seller and thier customer's...........

[SuperBird]

because dealers have to earn a living? If they bought close to retail, that would not be possible. I do agree that we will see more of a switch to consignments for 'top' collections in the future.

[Comcasthawk]

Let me take a moment and provide some clarifications about this collection.

 

At no time did I ever intend to disparage either the collection or its current owner. Even though it appears most, if not all of you, have recognized that, I will say it for the record. I am grateful to Jack for having posted his last comments.

 

He purchased a GREAT collection. It was an amazing sight to see long box after long box of this OO owner collection that was primarily amassed during 1939-1956, with the key years of approximately 1949-1956. I was like a kid in a candy store. It was well worth the 8 hours driving I undertook in one day to simply view it. I am sure Flying Donut can back me on the sentiments I expressed to him before I was there, while I was there and after I was there.

 

I was contacted by the woman brokering the deal for the family. As I recall the OO had died about 7 or 8 years earlier in his late 70s or so and his children thought it time to sell the collection. The family did not know much about comics though they had participated in helping create some of their father's collection. There were probably 1500-2000 comics from the late 1980s and early 1990s that they had bought for him. The usual stuff. These were obviously in HG but I never paid attention to those. Those were gravy. You all know the resale value.

 

I brought with me several Overstreet Price Guides (I believe five in number dating back to 1993 or so) as well the Overstreet Grading Guide. I went through every box and every book, plus I knew what was in the collection even before seeing it. I arrived around 11 am and stayed until about 6 pm or so. Did I thoroughly examine every single book by taking them out of their bags and looking through every page? Of course not. I closely examined the best of the best, and casually examined the covers of the remainders to get a general sense of the grades.

 

Did I say the collection was impressive and just darn cool to go through?

 

The biggest hurdle was arriving at a price. As is customarily seen in this day and age the owners thought it was worth far more than it was. My recollection was they thought it could be worth up to $1,000,000! If the books had been 9.0 and above it would have been. The OO had apparently told his family that someone had offered him $100,000 for the collection about 10-15 years ago so they thought it must be worth several times that now.

 

I sat down with the broker and identified for her the key books in the collection. I walked her through the price guides and the grading guide and showed her examples of different grades so that she could determine grading and guide pricing. I also tried to educate her on the difference between the guide values and true resale values. I especially wanted to make sure that the family did not get ripped off by any dealer (there were those who tried). For example, the OO had a kick-butt set of Mad Magazines from about 1-100+; some of which were in really nice shape. But sad to say Mad Magazines don't often sell for guide value, nor do many of the ECs (and, unfortunately, I know that from personal experience though I love them nonetheless). And as much as I love Captain Marvel and it was an amazing sight to see basically a full run, they don't generally sell very well either, except to Timulty (sorry, couldn't resist!).

 

Now, understand that when I was looking at this collection I was doing so as a dealer and for the sole purpose of trying to resale it. I had two other dealers working with me. We would have culled it of some of the books we really liked but otherwise the rest would be sold. The collection has some great runs and some really obscure books that cross the spectrum: superhero, adventure, animals, romance, science fiction, etc. We had no doubts that all of the books would sell. What price and when was the issue.

 

We came up with a low and high estimate of the retail value of the collection (which I shared with her), and we made several offers that had cash and/or consignment involved. And we explained why we believed the amount in question was fair - from a dealer's perspective. From what I understand we offered the highest amount from the dealers. I specifically noted to the broker that if they could find a collector to buy the collection, they would obviously do much better, and I told her not to hesitate to contact me should she want any free advice. We parted very amicably (in fact, the broker's boyfriend was a federal law enforcement agent from an agency I have sued so we had some interesting conversation). I made absolutely no efforts after that one day to obtain the collection. Jack later contacted me and told me he was the lucky guy who purchased it, and we had many positive e-mail conversations about the collection and other interests we share.

 

As far as grades, I have my opinions of what I saw. Jack holds some different opinions. Doesn't bother me. Perhaps CGC will hold different opinions from us both. I certainly know I don't always agree with what CGC or other dealers say about grading. All I know is I have no regrets for not purchasing the collection from a dealer's standpoint. From a collector's standpoint I would have LOVED to have owned it. But my wife would have killed me to have spent that kind of money (and I know what the basic final price was), not to mention the 22 or so long boxes involved that would have filled a room. It was very clear to me that Jack was extremely happy with his purchase then and I am glad to see he remains so now. I told him specifically that he should keep the books he loves, discard the others if he needs to, but if he can hold on to the books and not immediately sell them I had little doubt he would do fine over time. I simply didn't have those options available to me.

 

One thing that was special about this collection was its history. That is important to me on a personal level as this one person kept so many books from his childhood into his adulthood simply because they meant so much to him. I enjoy owning those types of books because I share that feeling for them.

 

Jack purchased a fantastic collection and I was happy for him then, and remain happy for him now. I wholeheartedly encourage everyone to peruse his auctions and see if there are books for you, especially because the OO had many great estoric books as well as nice runs of some key titles. Whether low, mid or high grade, I have little doubt that the books will not find someone who desires them.

 

BTW, no More Funs. I would have snagged those!

 

It would seem to an outsider that you were "downplaying" the books after you couldn't secure a deal that would make you and your co-horts money.

 

Guess what, the owners know that don't NEED YOU to sell the books. They have other outlets for selling the books and they know it.

 

Take no offense to what I am saying, even Las Vegas and Atlantic City casinos do not make a 50% profit!!

[Comcasthawk]

I brought with me several Overstreet Price Guides (I believe five in number dating back to 1993 or so) as well the Overstreet Grading Guide. I went through every box and every book, plus I knew what was in the collection even before seeing it. I arrived around 11 am and stayed until about 6 pm or so. Did I thoroughly examine every single book by taking them out of their bags and looking through every page? Of course not. I closely examined the best of the best, and casually examined the covers of the remainders to get a general sense of the grades.

 

Did I say the collection was impressive and just darn cool to go through?

 

The biggest hurdle was arriving at a price. As is customarily seen in this day and age the owners thought it was worth far more than it was. My recollection was they thought it could be worth up to $1,000,000! If the books had been 9.0 and above it would have been. The OO had apparently told his family that someone had offered him $100,000 for the collection about 10-15 years ago so they thought it must be worth several times that now.

 

OK, so you brought a price guide and OGG to the owner to show what grades the books were in...but then you don't go through every book even after knowing you would have to spend big bucks for the entire set. I would be going through every page if I was spending over $100,000.00.

 

Then you look at the books "for a general sense of grades", but I don't understand why you still wouldn't open them all since you would be shelling out big bucks once again.

 

This one is good..."As is customarily seen in this day and age the owners thought it was worth far more than it was"......man, I've heard that one from small dealers in the mall to the Big Apple Shows in NYC.

 

One can only assume you went there to throw big numbers at the owner's only to have them "reject" the offer, for whatever reasons they had.

 

Once again, please take no offense to what I am saying, but it sounds like these books are much wanted and really a great addition the comicbook marketplace.

 

Of course, I do realize that "profit" is always the main reason you would buy these books, but it did seem like you were having a "sour grapes' episode.

[whomerjay]

Either way, the comments could easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting, even if they were not intended to be.

 

Please spare us...if that is what you read, you need a thicker skin. Just because someone may have an firsthand opinion about a collection that isn't all rosy doesn't mean the messenger is being condescending, insulting, or even negative. It's an opinion and needs to be read as such. To search for some hidden negative agenda where there is none is just going to make you seem to be the one casting negative comments out there for consumption...

 

Jim

 

Don't quote me if you are talking to the owner of the collection. If you are talking to me, try reading my posts, which are pretty neutral, before responding.

 

"easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting" is not a neutral comment, and pretty much paints the author of those comments as insensitive, arrogant, condescending and insulting. They could "easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting" only to someone with thin skin who also cannot read and interpret- like you.

[Comcasthawk]

Sort of like if two guys ask out the same girl, and the guy that misses out says "well she was ugly anyway". A.) Sounds like jealousy wether it was true or not. B.) Insults the other guy and his new girlfriend

 

Nope, it's more like if a guy asks a girl out, she says yes, but only if you take me to the most expensive restaurant in town. He declines, but his friend agrees, then the first guy says "Nice rack but kinda ugly, and no way she is worth a $300 dinner tab".

 

I agree with what you say, but my point is that in the age of technology and information, the days of taking advantage og OO collections are gone, and I am not saying that this was the case and I'm sure it wasn't, but don't "knock" the owners or the books.

[awe4one]

Either way, the comments could easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting, even if they were not intended to be.

 

Please spare us...if that is what you read, you need a thicker skin. Just because someone may have an firsthand opinion about a collection that isn't all rosy doesn't mean the messenger is being condescending, insulting, or even negative. It's an opinion and needs to be read as such. To search for some hidden negative agenda where there is none is just going to make you seem to be the one casting negative comments out there for consumption...

 

Jim

 

Don't quote me if you are talking to the owner of the collection. If you are talking to me, try reading my posts, which are pretty neutral, before responding.

 

No...I was talking to you....

 

Jim

[esquirecomics]

I brought with me several Overstreet Price Guides (I believe five in number dating back to 1993 or so) as well the Overstreet Grading Guide. I went through every box and every book, plus I knew what was in the collection even before seeing it. I arrived around 11 am and stayed until about 6 pm or so. Did I thoroughly examine every single book by taking them out of their bags and looking through every page? Of course not. I closely examined the best of the best, and casually examined the covers of the remainders to get a general sense of the grades.

 

Did I say the collection was impressive and just darn cool to go through?

 

The biggest hurdle was arriving at a price. As is customarily seen in this day and age the owners thought it was worth far more than it was. My recollection was they thought it could be worth up to $1,000,000! If the books had been 9.0 and above it would have been. The OO had apparently told his family that someone had offered him $100,000 for the collection about 10-15 years ago so they thought it must be worth several times that now.

 

OK, so you brought a price guide and OGG to the owner to show what grades the books were in...but then you don't go through every book even after knowing you would have to spend big bucks for the entire set. I would be going through every page if I was spending over $100,000.00.

 

Then you look at the books "for a general sense of grades", but I don't understand why you still wouldn't open them all since you would be shelling out big bucks once again.

 

This one is good..."As is customarily seen in this day and age the owners thought it was worth far more than it was"......man, I've heard that one from small dealers in the mall to the Big Apple Shows in NYC.

 

One can only assume you went there to throw big numbers at the owner's only to have them "reject" the offer, for whatever reasons they had.

 

Once again, please take no offense to what I am saying, but it sounds like these books are much wanted and really a great addition the comicbook marketplace.

 

Of course, I do realize that "profit" is always the main reason you would buy these books, but it did seem like you were having a "sour grapes' episode.

 

If you say so.

[infinite_comics-migration]

 

OK, so you brought a price guide and OGG to the owner to show what grades the books were in...but then you don't go through every book even after knowing you would have to spend big bucks for the entire set. I would be going through every page if I was spending over $100,000.00.

 

Think about what you're saying - you'd literally go through every page of 3,000 comics? No, you wouldn't - or you wouldn't be allowed to, either way.

 

Of course, I do realize that "profit" is always the main reason you would buy these books, but it did seem like you were having a "sour grapes' episode.

 

Please see J-C's response earlier in this thread to people who use the "sour grapes" cop-out.

[MCMiles]

Either way, the comments could easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting, even if they were not intended to be.

 

Please spare us...if that is what you read, you need a thicker skin. Just because someone may have an firsthand opinion about a collection that isn't all rosy doesn't mean the messenger is being condescending, insulting, or even negative. It's an opinion and needs to be read as such. To search for some hidden negative agenda where there is none is just going to make you seem to be the one casting negative comments out there for consumption...

 

Jim

 

Don't quote me if you are talking to the owner of the collection. If you are talking to me, try reading my posts, which are pretty neutral, before responding.

 

"easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting" is not a neutral comment, and pretty much paints the author of those comments as insensitive, arrogant, condescending and insulting. They could "easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting" only to someone with thin skin who also cannot read and interpret- like you.

 

Please put me on ignore.

 

Thanks

[MCMiles]

Either way, the comments could easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting, even if they were not intended to be.

 

Please spare us...if that is what you read, you need a thicker skin. Just because someone may have an firsthand opinion about a collection that isn't all rosy doesn't mean the messenger is being condescending, insulting, or even negative. It's an opinion and needs to be read as such. To search for some hidden negative agenda where there is none is just going to make you seem to be the one casting negative comments out there for consumption...

 

Jim

 

Don't quote me if you are talking to the owner of the collection. If you are talking to me, try reading my posts, which are pretty neutral, before responding.

 

No...I was talking to you....

 

Jim

 

Fine, take it how ever you want it. My point is, the guy just bought a great collection he is obviously proud of, I could see how pride could easily have allowed him to be offended by a lot of the comments.

[OldGuy]

Either way, the comments could easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting, even if they were not intended to be.

 

Please spare us...if that is what you read, you need a thicker skin. Just because someone may have an firsthand opinion about a collection that isn't all rosy doesn't mean the messenger is being condescending, insulting, or even negative. It's an opinion and needs to be read as such. To search for some hidden negative agenda where there is none is just going to make you seem to be the one casting negative comments out there for consumption...

 

Jim

 

Don't quote me if you are talking to the owner of the collection. If you are talking to me, try reading my posts, which are pretty neutral, before responding.

 

"easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting" is not a neutral comment, and pretty much paints the author of those comments as insensitive, arrogant, condescending and insulting. They could "easily be viewed as arrogant, codescending and insulting" only to someone with thin skin who also cannot read and interpret- like you.

 

Please put me on ignore.

 

Thanks

 

You can put him on ignore.

[MCMiles]

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You can put him on ignore.

 

I actually can appreciate some of his posts as contributing and intelleigent. He just does't like me.