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This should make you happy: https://www.wnyc.org/story/215964-senate-subcommittee-juvenile-delinquency/ https://www.wnyc.org/story/215975-senate-subcommittee-juvenile-delinquency-ii/ https://www.wnyc.org/story/subcommittee-to-investigate-juvenile-delinquency-and-comic-books-afternoon-session/

I agree that is cool and worth noting:

Fred was a news reporter for a NY paper. It would be cool if he took possession of Hendrickson's stash of exhibit copies and those made it to the marketplace! But, seems unlikely. Maybe he was just like the rest of us, SOTI made the comics more interesting to him.

It is shocking, but this is not noted by OPG or GCD! I've added it above.

Here's the editorial for those who want to read it. It's short:

Here's another cool SOTI related item that I haven't seen before: Anyone seen this one? This is a single article academic journal printing of Wertham's "Psychiatry and Censorship" editorial from the American Journal of Psychotherapy, Vol. XI, No. 2, pages 249-253 (April 1957). These single article pamphlets are a pretty standard thing for Law Journals. They are given to authors to distribute as they see fit, usually for self-promotion. I have a box of them from the article I wrote back when I was in law school. I did not know the academic journals of other disciplines did these kind of single article printings for their article authors, but it makes perfect sense that they do. It's the only thing the authors get. This editorial discusses SOTI and censorship.

I and others have communicated with others, not Bob. I assume that most of the small changes are decided upon by other staffers.

GCD can be much more granular than Overstreet (although there are many many holes). But, that is what makes it much less useful because you cannot easily find first appearance, key artist, SOTI reference, and other useful data for an entire title at a glance. Does GCD even discuss scarcity and rarity or classic covers, etc.? GCD and OPG serve different functions, even when it comes to non-price info. GCD renders the Gerber guides a relic of the past, but not the OPG. However, I agree that data should be submitted to GCD also.

Surprisingly, GCD does not have as much info as OPG in many example I could mention. GCD is a great thing, I wholeheartedly support it, but it is incredibly hard for me to browse. I find the OPG to be MUCH more user friendly. GCD just doesn't work as well for me. One glance at OPG can convey more info to me than clicking through a bunch of screens at GCD and separating the wheat from the chaff to get the info I need.

That is the perfect example of what should be noted! I will confirm its not tonight, and if not, I'll add it to the list. Thanks! I'd seen you talk about that issue before, I did not know it was not in OPG.

I can't blame you for this. This makes me sad. Not because of you, but because of the OPG's waste of the goodwill it had. The intent of this thread is to try to compile and save info that is in people's heads, like yours, and save it for posterity. (I'm not saying you and other experienced and wise collectors are close to death, but lets save the knowledge)

This is exactly why I started this thread! One board member told me a story about how his contact at the OPG was no longer responding to his emails and, for example, SOTI updates to the guide were not being made. He made the comment I quote in the first page of this thread. This is the present problem! And the OPG needs to fix it. I'm willing to help. So are others.

U.S. (not Canadian) Variant Comics Fixes: Batman 1 - Add to the Note: "Versions with 'No 1' and 'No .1' exist; unknown which came first." (Aside: I personally think it is clear that the "lacks period" version came second! But, we'll never know.) Walt Disney Comics & Stories - Add to the Note at the end of the listing: "Many issues of WDC&S exist as subscription variants with different back cover (25-73 and 75-145 confirmed) or front cover art (74 and 144-165 confirmed) and a rectangle for the subscriber address. Subscription variants are rarely found in high grade." Again, like if you agree and respond if you don't. I'm going to keep bumping this thread forever. So you might as well add your own additions and corrections.

Censored Comics: Action Comics 62 (July 1943) - Add: "NOTE: Rare original version and common version censoring out excessive blood on the soldier and adding red 'Zero' markings to the airplane exist." (The assumption here is that Overstreet will not break out versions without documented price variation data. But, I'd pay more for the uncensored cover!)

My copy is slick, but I didn't count the pages. I took the OPG number for the paper cover (36) and added four more pages.

The OPG started out as a labor of love by a few very very knowledgeable fans who were in no way guaranteed a financial return. They performed a service for the comic collecting community which has paid off in the support and promotion of an entire industry, comic collecting, which has employed many and lined the pockets of many many more. In fact, the OPG has been so successful that there is no alternative that even comes close to providing the depth of information that it provides. Those of us who are collectors because we love collecting cannot help but want to see the OPG continue to thrive. We want it to stay relevant. And while it may not be that relevant any more for pricing information and market making (others have taken on those roles), it remains the best source for data. Which is why I and, I'm sure, many others want to see it continue on. But, here's the thing: If the OPG is not able to stay current with our data needs and suggestions, there must be an alternative. This thread is the best alternative I can come up. IF you have a better alternative than just saying "let them eat cake," let me know. You may not realize it, but there is more comic knowledge in the minds of the board members here, and hidden away in threads, than any one person can effectively mine. The intent of this thread is create our own, to use a phrase, wiki wherein we can share that knowledge with each other as it relates to corrections and additions that need to be made to the non-pricing data in OPG. Will OPG ever mine this thread? I'd hope so, but that may never be the case. If not, we still have this. You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution. I like solutions.

Man, you guys are a tough crowd. I was hoping to generate enough enthusiasm to get this pinned to the top so the Overstreet guys could pick up our suggestions by one stop shopping! Oh well, as Annie said "Tomorrow ..."

NOT LISTED IN OVERSTREET, BUT SHOULD BE!: * BERT THE TURTLE SAYS DUCK AND COVER, Archer Publications Inc., 1951 (5 cents, 16 pgs) nn - Based on official U.S. civil defense film "Duck and Cover" regarding surviving an A-Bomb attack. Again, like if you agree, post if you disagree. And don't hesitate to add your suggestions.

Overstreet said in old OPG's "#1 exists as an ash can copy with B&W cover." He used to get ridiculed or accused of inserting that as a copyright protection. Turned out he was being straight.

Yep. Maybe that's one of the copyright traps they put in. But that suggests we should have a category for Comics That Don't Actually Exist: My only concern is that Double Action 1 ultimately did exist.

Censored Comics: Tales of Terror 1 (Toby 1952): Add to the end of the Note: "Rare original version and common version censoring out a nipple on cover exist." (The assumption here is that Overstreet will not break out versions without documented price variation data.) Again, I know guys here know of many examples of censored comics that deserve notation! Post 'em! Again, like if you agree, post a response if you disagree.

U.S. (not Canadian) Variant Comics Fixes: * Daisy Handbook 2 (1948) - Add "NOTE: 2 versions exist of the back cover and a 3rd version has an insert with a package of BBs attached." * Superman 1 (1939) - Add "NOTE: 3 printings exist. Earliest printing(s) state Action 14 is 'On Sale June 2nd'. Later printing(s) state Action 14 is 'Now on Sale'." (The assumption here is that Overstreet will not break out versions without documented price variation data.) * Two Faces of Communism - Correct (Giveaway, paper-c, 36 pgs) to read "(Giveaway, paper-c (36 pgs) and slick-c (40 pgs) versions)." I hope you guys are getting the idea here. There are many many more fixes to post. Hopefully, some of you guys will post your pet peeves or info you think is essential that should be in the guide. Again, like if you agree, post a response if you disagree.

I've got a bunch of additions that I think might be worthy. They include: Uncle Scrooge Fixes: * Vacation Parade 2 (July 1951) - Add "1st Uncle Scrooge-c; not by Barks." * Four Color 353 (Oct. 1951) - Add "2nd Uncle Scrooge-c; first by Barks." * Four Color 379 (March-April 1951) - Correct "2nd Uncle Scrooge-c; not by Barks" to read "3rd Uncle Scrooge-c; not by Barks" * Walt Disney Comics & Stories 140 (May 1952) - Correct "2nd Barks Uncle Scrooge-c; 3rd Uncle Scrooge cover app." to read "3rd Barks Uncle Scrooge-c." (it is the 5th Uncle Scrooge cover, but why note it at that point?) Feel free to disagree or like.

ADDITIONS AND CORRECTIONS for which consensus support exists: Main listings: * Action Comics 62 (July 1943) - Add: "NOTE: Two versions of cover exist: (1) Original with excessive blood on the soldier and (2) censored version with less blood and red 'Zero' markings to the airplane." * Batman Comics 1 - Add to the Note: "Versions with 'No 1' and 'No .1' on cover exist; unknown which came first." * Daisy Handbook 2 (1948) - Add "NOTE: 2 versions exist of the back cover and a 3rd version has an insert with a package of BBs attached." * Four Color 353 (Oct. 1951) - Add "2nd Uncle Scrooge-c; first by Barks." * Four Color 379 (March-April 1951) - Correct "2nd Uncle Scrooge-c; not by Barks" to read "3rd Uncle Scrooge-c; not by Barks." * Margie 36 (June 1947) - Add "Full story featuring Timely editor Stan Lee on date with Margie." * Superman 1 (1939) - Add "NOTE: 3 printings exist. Earliest printing(s) state Action 14 is 'On Sale June 2nd'. Later printing(s) state Action 14 is 'Now on Sale'." * Superman 113 (May 1957) - Add "First mention that Superman's given name is Kal-El." * Tales of Terror 1 (Toby 1952): Add to the end of the Note: "Rare original version and common version censoring out a nipple on cover exist." * Vacation Parade 2 (July 1951) - Add "1st Uncle Scrooge-c; not by Barks."" * Walt Disney Comics & Stories - Add to the Note at the end of the listing: "Many issues of WDC&S exist as subscription variants with different back cover (25-73 and 75-145 confirmed) or front cover art (74 and 144-165 confirmed) and a rectangle for the subscriber address. Subscription variants are rarely found in high grade." * Walt Disney Comics & Stories 140 (May 1952) - Correct "2nd Barks Uncle Scrooge-c; 3rd Uncle Scrooge cover app." to read "3rd Barks Uncle Scrooge-c." Promotional listings: * Two Faces of Communism - Correct (Giveaway, paper-c, 36 pgs) to read "(Giveaway, paper-c (36 pgs) and slick-c (40 pgs) versions)." NOT LISTED IN OVERSTREET, BUT SHOULD BE!: Promotional Listings: * BERT THE TURTLE SAYS DUCK AND COVER, Archer Publications Inc., 1951 (5 cents, 16 pgs) nn - Based on official U.S. civil defense film "Duck and Cover" regarding surviving an A-Bomb attack. Estimated value ... $150.00.

I've had a couple of emails with folks who have told me they are frustrated that Overstreet is not correcting or adding non-price information they have sent in. My past experience has been that Overstreet will add non-price info that I've suggested. But, apparently the communication is not as good as it once was, and folks are feeling that their suggestions are falling on deaf and unresponsive ears. One board member messaged me this comment, which I think sums up the issue really well: I agree that Overstreet's value to me is NOT pricing information, it is all other data that it puts out. So I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread to compile information addition or corrections to Overstreet's that are NOT PRICING RELATED! I'm going to keep the second post open for corrections and additions that folks here think are worthy.