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After I have leaf casted the comic I'm having issues with the paint applying to the area smoothly. Also are their any additional resources for how to color touch more effectively?

On 1/23/2023 at 8:30 PM, Tony S said:

Thanks Beyonder
As others have noted this isn't a tear. Looks like a crease/impact crunch. So I was not sure what book the OP was discussing in reference to their specific question about waviness being worse than a tear. I probably wasn't reading everything close enough and appreciate you making it clear. 

As for is this book a 9.6?  I have come to dislike discussing such. Several years ago I would have said "maybe if the rest of the book is perfect". By the grading standards I've seen since CGC has hired a bunch of new graders and cranked up output (so the past 18 months)  I would have been guesstimated the grade lower than 9.6. 9.2/9.4 maybe. 

The reason I now dislike discussing "what should the grade be" is the issue of consistency. IMHO we are not seeing consistency.  And consistency is the MOST IMPORTANT thing to me as far as sending in books. I don't want to waste my time arguing with a grading company what a 9.6 should look like. But the hobby  NEEDS for the standard for 9.6 to be the same from year to year and decade to decade. Because without that consistency, the bedrock reason for third party grading and encapsulation - that "the grade is the grade" - gets undermined.

 

I really like the way you think about this issue. I diffidently agree about the consistency of grading and from the sounds of it I think the best course is just to not send stuff off to get graded. Especially if we get these inconsistency. 

On 1/17/2023 at 5:49 PM, PeterPark said:

I have also seen numerous examples of comics looking they were damaged during encapsulation.

Were you disappointed in the grade on the ASM 365? With that lower corner damage, I wouldn't expect a grade that high. That said, I'd also be careful to disclose it if you are looking to sell as the webbing can obscure damage in pictures that people would not be happy with in hand. I don't have a problem with the 9.2 on the Lobo book. It still came back high grade but waviness isn't a non-issue.  A press should've been able to fix that.

I'm not disappointed, just shocked. I sent this off for a friend with the corner tear and uncleaned. They just wanted it slabbed. 

On 1/17/2023 at 3:09 PM, Funnybooks said:

ASM 365 in it's current state is not a 9.6..damage during encapsulation or transport?

Lobo at 9.2 seems fair...there is noticeable stress on the wraps and especially along the spine that indicates this copy was handled/read at some point.

No the ASM was not damaged in encapsulation. I sent it off with a tear and uncleaned for a friend of mine that just wanted it graded. 

And maybe the grade is accurate on Lobo, however I just wanted a conversation about if waviness should hurt the grade more than a tear. Maybe the spine stress was the issue, however there was no graders notes on this Lobo. 

On 1/17/2023 at 2:45 PM, LowGradeBronze said:

I understand your disappointment but to call 9.2 and 9.4 grades dismal is a little strong. Anything 9.0 and above is near mint. That's not a dismal grade. Near Mint. Say it a few times: Near Mint, and see if you're still disappointed to have near mint comics. I wouldn't be! 

Oh I agree, I just thought the 9.6 asm would be lucky to get a 9.0 and the lobo was 9.4 and up. I mostly wanted to have a discussion on if waviness should drop the grade more than a tear. 

On 1/17/2023 at 2:30 PM, Phill the Governor said:

Woof, I somehow missed this part.

While CGC has their share of blame and problems with grading, new people beginning to learn to press on their own and then being surprised with grades, even a few years into pressing (most of these people have only been pressing for weeks at the least and a year at most) is exhausting.

You shouldn't be surprised by books you're submitting if you're clearly still learning how to press. The learning curve for grading alone is higher than most people think, and most people routinely over estimate their ability to grade, let alone press properly.

Not trying to be mean, but unless you plan on making a career out of working with books, or have an elevated sense of patience (which most of us don't), it takes more time to perfect this than almost anyone is willing to put in. In short, save the grief and just pay someone else that has a good reputation to do it.

 

 

Oh I agree that statement. However was the waviness worse than that tear when it comes to grading? And I have no information to go off of as they didnt include grades notes for the 9.2 and I really dont see many defects with the 9.2 other than light spine stress and slight waviness. 

I recently got a submission back from CGC with some dismal results. Most of the comics I thought would be 9.6- 9.8 received 9.2 and 9.4s and ones I thought I would be lucky to get a 9.0 received a 9.6. I will provide several pictures to show you my point. I mostly wanted to get feed back and ask if waviness in comics will affect the grade (even though I cant see any other issues with the comic) more so than a tear. Because in that same submission an uncleaned, unpressed, tear in the corner comic received a 9.6, and a comic with some waviness received a 9.2. I know that waviness is an issue on my end with my pressing and am currently working that issue out now as I have just started doing my own books. However is this grading accurate and more importantly acceptable? If you think there is something that can be done about this please give me some input because I really don't want to send books off if this is the type of results that come of it.