Joseph eaker

On 10/9/2022 at 11:47 AM, Don Key said:

OK then

How about the people selling counterfeit Cerebus #1s and CFD #1s? Any of them ever go to jail? No? You better get on that! 

And mar 1979 the whole time is saying these are fake and he has no proof of that if these are fake them where are the other copies of this cause everyone is telling me they never seen them before a copycat would make multiple copies not just one I feel like this is a movie cast copy if they decided to sell there copy then that's on them but this don't make them fake I was told if this is a movie copy they would of went with there own private printer they never was printed from dc company cause they tech not a dc comic but someone would want this in there private collection 

On 10/9/2022 at 11:04 AM, MAR1979 said:

You did not answer the question of why you keep referring to the dedication as if that has meaning? Do you not understand that it is nothing unique about it and that it's simply a direct copy of issue #1 page 1

I've also not said anything about you trying to sell it only informing you of the possibility that if you do it publicly and it's not legit that TWD can legally come after you as first sale doctrine will not apply.

I would be second saler I've bought them from someone else and that person bought from someone else so so far they have been sold twice 

On 10/9/2022 at 11:00 AM, ak47po said:

Submit them to CGC for grading,. See if they will grade them and if not they will tell you why.

I already talked to cgc they said not to grade them cause they would have to list don't know what they are said to keep them safe untill I can find out for sure and i have contacted dc comics and sent them pics waiting on a response might cary then to a comic convention too 

On 10/9/2022 at 10:58 AM, MAR1979 said:

HI -  why do you keep mentioning the dedication as if that give what you have any credence? Its a an exact copy of page 1 of the first issue. 

Well u trying to say I'm trying to sell something fake and I have not tried to sell them I'm trying to find out what they are only and there is no basis that they are fake movies do this all the time give cast members copies of stuff to show what the movie will be about and these were bought off the comic book group 

On 10/9/2022 at 10:55 AM, Don Key said:

now you're just going overboard.

I have never intended to sell nothing I only asked if they could be worth something cause if these were only givin to the cast of Batman vs Superman and we're published just for them then these are rare most people hold on to that stuff but 1 copy got out and I own it so I'm holding on till I know 

On 10/8/2022 at 6:39 PM, MAR1979 said:

If these were printed/manufactured via "pirate" "Counterfeit" "bootleg" type situation first sale doctrine does not apply and TWD could take various forms of legal action if you sell or demonstrate intent of sale or distribution.  My armchair legal advice advice unless you have the resources to challenge a huge corporation do not risk selling them online or publicly in any manner unless you can determine without doubt they are "legit". 

BTW if you used your real name as your ID on this forum there already is trail to be used against you in a legal situation.

On 10/8/2022 at 6:39 PM, MAR1979 said:

If these were printed/manufactured via "pirate" "Counterfeit" "bootleg" type situation first sale doctrine does not apply and TWD could take various forms of legal action if you sell or demonstrate intent of sale or distribution.  My armchair legal advice advice unless you have the resources to challenge a huge corporation do not risk selling them online or publicly in any manner unless you can determine without doubt they are "legit". 

BTW if you used your real name as your ID on this forum there already is trail to be used against you in a legal situation.

On 10/8/2022 at 6:39 PM, MAR1979 said:

If these were printed/manufactured via "pirate" "Counterfeit" "bootleg" type situation first sale doctrine does not apply and TWD could take various forms of legal action if you sell or demonstrate intent of sale or distribution.  My armchair legal advice advice unless you have the resources to challenge a huge corporation do not risk selling them online or publicly in any manner unless you can determine without doubt they are "legit". 

BTW if you used your real name as your ID on this forum there already is trail to be used against you in a legal situation.

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On 10/8/2022 at 6:39 PM, MAR1979 said:

If these were printed/manufactured via "pirate" "Counterfeit" "bootleg" type situation first sale doctrine does not apply and TWD could take various forms of legal action if you sell or demonstrate intent of sale or distribution.  My armchair legal advice advice unless you have the resources to challenge a huge corporation do not risk selling them online or publicly in any manner unless you can determine without doubt they are "legit". 

BTW if you used your real name as your ID on this forum there already is trail to be used against you in a legal situation.

On 10/8/2022 at 6:39 PM, MAR1979 said:

If these were printed/manufactured via "pirate" "Counterfeit" "bootleg" type situation first sale doctrine does not apply and TWD could take various forms of legal action if you sell or demonstrate intent of sale or distribution.  My armchair legal advice advice unless you have the resources to challenge a huge corporation do not risk selling them online or publicly in any manner unless you can determine without doubt they are "legit". 

BTW if you used your real name as your ID on this forum there already is trail to be used against you in a legal situation.

First of all if these were fakes there would be more of them out there but there isn't know one would just fake 1 copy these could have been givin to the cast of bvs and if that's so then they are real and I can do what I want with them they were dedicated to will jungantze who is dead who worked with Frank Miller .I'll be in possession of them next week and I have got multiple appointments at a few comic shops to look at them up close . But I'm keeping them untill I find out what they are 

On 10/8/2022 at 12:17 PM, revat said:

A person could just be a huge fan and print/publish one for themselves.

or it could be a practice run for a larger bootlegging operation 

Well I'm hoping they were giving to only cast of Batman vs Superman movie 

On 10/7/2022 at 3:39 PM, ExNihilo said:

what's the publishing page say?

No publishing page I mean if these books are a fake why only make 1 copy bootleggers mass produce stuff but knowone has ever seen these 

I have these 4 books complete series but no dc logo or number or serial number I was told they were giving to the cast of Batman vs Superman movie and was never massed produced need help 

On 10/7/2022 at 2:35 PM, Joseph eaker said:

No these books are mint what your looking at is the back pic of batman's cap extends over the spine u seeing those 2 lines 

On 10/7/2022 at 11:04 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I wouldn't slab them, but they do seem to be extremely rare. Rare enough that the only information I can find is from you, here. Really wish I could get my hand on a set, especially if they're related to BvS (I love that movie).

That's what I'm saying cause there is no logo or serial number or anything just a dedicated to a person who died and worked on the series if only the cast of bvs got these then I got something but if there are fakes then why isn't more copies out there to find or buy seems like I got the only set wonder what a price would be on these 

On 10/7/2022 at 10:54 AM, Qalyar said:

That actually reads "Will Jungkuntz", and isn't unique to ... whatever these are. Will Jungkuntz was a comic artist who died of a sudden heart attack at age 30. He had cited Frank Miller as a major influence, and Miller dedicated the first volume of The Dark Knight Returns to him.

If you want to see his work, the most representative example is probably his "Blood n' Gutz" series, serialized in issues 1-4 of the 1985 Savage Tales magazine. It was intended to be a 5-part story, but he died before completing it, and despite efforts to get other artists to finish the story on his behalf, the magazine was cancelled shortly afterward, and that never happened. He's probably better known for his work on Echo of Futurepast and Crazyman, but for both of those, he just did pencils with Neal Adams following up with ink work (and it's pretty clear that the finished product owes more to Neal Adams).

None of that gets us any closer to identifying what these are. I agree that they look like the contents of the Batman Noir: The Dark Knight Returns hardcover, except that, you know, they're not a hardcover.

The story the guy told me about these were giving to cast of Batman vs Superman would u believe that story ? Could these be a one of a kind cause there is no dc logo no number no serial number or copyright.so that leaves these are fake or limited to just a few copies to cast members 

On 10/7/2022 at 10:11 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I have never heard anything about these, and I can't find anything about them. They look like individual issues of the Noir edition (which is a hardcover). I wonder if the seller is telling the truth about them being BvS gifts.

If these are real and was never massed produced are they rare or extremely rare cause I want to slab them to keep safe but I need to be able to tell cgc what they are unless u know someone on the inside and can shoot the pics to to find out 

On 10/7/2022 at 10:03 AM, 850chris said:

you have a close up of the title page and inside cover? trying to see what's on it

On 10/6/2022 at 8:32 PM, Galen130 said:

Is there anything on the back cover that states whether it's a comic store exclusive?

Just says the dark knight returns .dedicated to will jungaintz 1955 to1985 but can't find that name anywhere 

On 10/6/2022 at 8:32 PM, Galen130 said:

Is there anything on the back cover that states whether it's a comic store exclusive?

No the top pics is the front cover and back cover the guy I bought from said they were giving to the cast of the Batman vs Superman movie but can't confirm 

I have this set of 4 dark knight books but they have no logos or numbers or serial numbers was told they was never mass produced any help would be appreciated my email is josepheaker3986@yahoo.com