Comparing a 9.8 Hulk #181 to a Cerebus #1 in 9.4 is a much better comparison, but it still falls short, because a Cerebus #1 in 9.8 would be a complete and total monster. It would blow away the price for any Hulk #181 9.8, ever. It would easily be a $30-$40k book.
What dealer in his right mind is going to turn down a flawless Cerebus #1...if one even still exists....in favor of a flawless Hulk #181? None of them. I completely disagree with your contention that any dealer would pay more for a Hulk #181 than a Cerebus #1, raw. They would be utterly foolish to do so. They would be utterly foolish to do it for a 9.6 potential Cerebus #1, vs. a 9.8 potential Hulk #181. They might even be utterly foolish to do so for a 9.4 potential Cerebus #1. There are dealers who would pay $5,000 for a solid "9.4 or possibly better" Cerebus #1. I don't know ANYONE who would pay that for a 9.8 potential, unless it was a slam dunk, all day long 9.8...because if it comes back 9.6, they've just lost hundreds, if not a thousand, dollars.
The facts are what they are: by Overstreet, Cerebus #1 is a more valuable book in 9.2, because that's as high as it goes. In reality, it trumps Hulk #181 in every grade from 9.2 on up, except for the freak grade of 9.9 (and that's a one-off total anomaly.)
A lot of you really underestimate the demand for and rarity of Cerebus #1 in high grades.
Outside of the bubble that is Overstreet's 2013 numbers , I don't believe a cerebus 1, 9.2 has a higher FMW than a Hulk 181, 9.2.
-J.
I will trade you a Hulk 181 in 9.2 for a Cerebus 1 in 9.2 every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Why?
1) I can find Hulk 181s in 9.2 with nearly no effort.
2) I can find Cerebus 1s in 9.2 only with extreme effort.
3) I will be paying essentially what the market says for a Hulk 181 in 9.2
4) I will be paying what the dealer says for a Cerebus 1 in 9.2.
You may believe otherwise, but you are just wrong on this.
And he's not kidding when he says "with extreme effort" can a 9.2 Cerebus #1 be found. They simply do not exist, and the ones that do (all SS, by the way), you would have to offer obscene money to obtain.
THAT is why this whole "oh, well, a 9.2 Cerebus #1 sold for $2100 in 2005, and the market "declined" since then, so it's reasonable to say it could be had for less today" is beyond absurd. A NINE POINT ZERO sold for $2500 last year.
9.2 Hulk #181? I can wave around $2500 and have one by Saturday. I could *probably* wave around $2100, and have one by the end of next week.
...and an 8.5 sold for $850 THIS year. Like a few weeks ago even.. Just sayin....
Release the hounds!
-J.
Right, the 8.5, which everyone in the thread agrees will sell for less than a comparable Hulk 181. The 8.5, which has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. In other news, the earth revolves around the sun.
No nuhun.Earth is flat and we are the centre of the universe!