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Thanks for the input guys - very much appreciated.

While it’s irksome, the risk of losing the existing bidders - and yes, the appearance of a problem or markdown if relisting later - has me inclined to just stay the course.   

Taking kind of an informal poll.

I have an item listed with Heritage in the upcoming Signature auction and they botched the catalog listing.   It’s a color Romita Sr prelim of the DF Spidey/Goblin poster - listed correctly on the website but with the wrong picture in the auction catalog (which has a Superman pencil page).

Heritage has offered to either lower the seller percentage for the snafu or relist in the Summer Signature auction. 

I personally do page through the catalog but by and large depend on the website - but that’s me.

How much traction does the catalog get?   Is it worth losing the 10 bidders and 90+ trackers to pull the item?   This is a Sunday automated auction listing so it’s a small pic in the catalog - not a major player piece.

Pull and relist or stay the course?

On 10/12/2023 at 2:59 PM, pemart1966 said:

OK - NOW this post is LIVE!

Looks as if Mike Burkey is not attending...Bechara?

Any photos will probably be quite similar to photos from the last major con...

Mike sent out an email that he was attending - booths 3804-3806

On 9/17/2023 at 8:36 PM, NinjaSealed said:

Congrats it is fantastic, the splash was one of my targets in the auction but went for a lot more I thought(hoped) it would. 

Thanks!   Yup - it certainly exceeded my target as well - but what good is sensibility when emotions are at play 

On 3/12/2023 at 8:01 AM, NicoV said:

I don't understand what you mean by "small-art panel page" but at least two panel pages already sold for higher prices:

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/story-page/john-romita-sr-and-mike-esposito-the-amazing-spider-man-40-story-page-6-green-goblin-original-art-marvel-/a/7274-91078.s?type=DA-DMC-ComicArtTracker-Comics-7274-06162022

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/story-page/john-romita-sr-and-mike-esposito-amazing-spider-man-50-story-page-10-kingpin-original-art-marvel-/a/7270-91046.s?type=DA-DMC-ComicArtTracker-Comics-7270-04072022

 

What JJ said - the examples you posted are what is considered large art.  The $148k Heritage page was small art.  I’m still pretty amazed by the price 

Wow - I guess technically this is just short of a half-splash, but looks like the high end market is going full steam ahead - SVB default be damned 
 

is this the highest paid at auction for a Romita small-art panel page ever?  With all the focus right now on the Signature auction this one almost passed right by me…

John Romita Sr. and Jim Mooney Amazing Spider-Man #69 Story Page 11 Original Art (Marvel, 1969).... https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/story-page/john-romita-sr-and-jim-mooney-amazing-spider-man-69-story-page-11-original-art-marvel-1969-/a/7344-51102.s

On 7/24/2021 at 2:05 PM, grapeape said:

Will Albert Bechara Mike B Glen are market influencers.They are business men and it’s their job to make a living pushing the market to find the highest bearable sale point. Heritage and Comic Link are “Fair Market” price point setters. Collectors or investors have to figure out what’s real and what’s smoke and mirrors (good luck)

The line gets further blurred because those same dealers are also on the auction sites - and if they overpay who cares?   They’re establishing a new “baseline” they’ll profit from down the road 

29 minutes ago, jjonahjameson11 said:

Geez, as much as I love Garcia Lopez OA, prices are starting to get serious now!

A lot of the DC style-guide images were heavily merchandised.    Strong prices for sure - but lots of nostalgia there…

I had a lunchbox with that Batman/Joker image 

$90k after juice and seven Fair Warnings.   Wow 

They have the ASM 197 cover listed as Dave Cockrum pencils.    But every other source I’ve seen - including previous Heritage auctions of the CGC book - lists Keith Pollard as the cover artist 🤔

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Sure.  And its the only Joker Adams cover I can recall, so its not like there's a better one.

Only one in continuity

10 minutes ago, comix4fun said:

That piece is gorgeous!! Congrats. Watching the bidding all I kept thinking was.." If this was a cover from the flagship 'Batman' title it would hammer for three times the price." So I think it was well bought. For a Batman, Robin, Joker piece that striking I think you're going to be happy with that for a long time.

18 minutes ago, delekkerste said:

 

Congrats! 

I think people are more willing to look at non-continuity covers these days by "main run" artists given that the prices on good/great main run examples have gotten so pricey.  Just look at the Romita/Sinnott Spider-Man toothpaste promo cover that sold for $22.1K yesterday.  A friend of mine was just commenting to me the other day on the (high) prices on some of the Spidey Super Stories covers, which I also chalked up to the aforementioned phenomenon.  

 

Thanks!  Yeah, the lack of continuity actually worked to my advantage  - content and artists are king for me here - and the price would have been crazy had this been a Detective or Batman book.  

I won the Adams/Giordano Batman-Joker cover.  Considering the awesome splash from that “issue” recently went for 13k I wasn’t overly surprised with what I had to pay - despite the fact that the book isn’t part of true Batman continuity.

70s Joker is a huge focus of my “collecting wheelhouse” - I had won the Infantino Joker pin up a couple years ago that I remembered so fondly (ex Mego) - really my ultimate Joker “grail” - but had wanted an Adams Joker page for a long, long time.

When the page appeared in the Heritage Platinum mailer card a couple months ago - an Adams Joker cover! - my eyes popped out of my head and I knew it was going to be a tough fight for anyone trying to keep it from me ;)

I love everything about this cover - the black background, large Batman and Robin figures, the oversized Joker head - I’m absolutely thrilled.  I honestly could care less about Batman continuity on this - it’s getting framed and placed on my Joker wall where it will remain forever.

And at least I didn’t have to pay $1,700,000 

Comic book people seem to have cats and quite a few play guitar.

 

I have dogs & I play drums.

 

Maybe I'm weird.

Three English bulldogs and three drum sets - you're not alone!

Love that room. Wonderfully tasteful and inviting! Well done.

Agreed. That's one my wife may even approve of! Love the Halloween theme, the wood, and the rack in the corner...

Yep, and it looks like a number of the HA auctions aren't showing up in the CAF search. Interesting.

I thought it might be interesting to quickly map out which artists/runs garner what prices these days.

 

My list below if based on what I thought an A-level panel page by that particular artist on that particular run would sell for based on public sales and whatever private sales I am aware of.

Gene - you're going pretty deep! Mike (original poster) specifically stated he's using data points. You bring up some excellent points - drop in value for recirculated pieces, the very fluid nature of the market, etc. Certainly you illustrate nicely the need to constantly keep this list updated, and to "take it with a grain of salt."

With that being said, I still don't get the high end here. Hari, I see where you argue artificial supply constraints of Romita Sr pages affects the price. I certainly can't argue that. Still, the fact is if you want a Romita Sr 2x page you're going to pay 40k+. Mike had it right the first time.

And I'll reiterate a question Burkey brought up a few threads back - how many Kirby FF panel pages are going for 40k+? CAF market data search reveals none. The August Doom-Thing page on Comiclink went below 30K; not sure about the December one. Yes, Colletta inks, but is 40K plus really the standard?

Some thoughts: I would move the Romita Sr spidey panel pages down to the 20-40K range.

Romita Spidey twice-ups are a bit unique. Burkey has most of them, and he sure isn't letting his A-level stuff go for less then 40 k

I also know of a couple private deals above that amount, and I can't recall an A-level Romita 2x coming to auction the last several years, so market value as determined by auction is pure conjecture.

It's funny that after Bob posted his Weird War Tales list several people lamented that they had probably missed the boat. I called him about a week after that thread and he still had almost every issue for sale.

Of course, now you HAVE missed the boat...

Looks like your right - here are the OFFICIAL bios

http://www.derok.net/derok/choculafriends.html

While Fruit Brute never "made it" like the big three, he did get a cool cameo in Pulp Fiction...

I'm sure I didn't pick up anything that you don't already have! Picked up primarily earlier Witching Hours, including several from Bruno Something-or-other, a Canadian dealer, as well as a dealer from New Mexico with the sign "We Buy Comics." While I shelled out a few dollars to both Ted from Superworld and Motor City for some of my favorite covers, when examining my books after the the convention it struck me yet again that many of the books I accrued at a discount were as nice as my higher-dollar books. My problem is patience - it's just so easy to fork a few dollars over to Ted as opposed to waiting for a book to appear on eBay...

As I have said before, I think most superhero collectors, which make up the majority of collectors, are for the most part unaware of these books. But I believe they would be susceptable to them if they were ever exposed to them.

 

I betcha', get any ASM or X-Men or typical Marvel or DC Bronze superhero collector over to this thread, sit him down and have him scan all the beautiful books on this thread, and with at least 90% certainty, I think we'd have another convert.

Well, one new convert here. After years of collecting ASM and near completion of my #1-20 CGC run, I found myself burning out on Spidey. Lurking on the boards one night, I found this thread and then of course the Shiverbones site and they really revitalized my interest in collecting. I never read DC Bronze horror growing up, but those covers rock! Fortunately that occured right before Wizard World Chicago, so I was able to indulge my newfound interest last weekend...