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I was just thinking about Brent Anderson's 25 year long run on Astro City. So many great issues with some, in my opinion, underrated art by Anderson.

Just now, comix4fun said:

If we're talking speed....then there's a group of serious artists that also merit consideration and comparison.

 

Has Liefeld ever really been known for his speed? Looking back at the time period, I don't see any bi-weekly books or even any serious overlap in his work. I honestly don't know where this guy came up with that statement. 

Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread any further. So on the topic of artists I did not appreciate when I first saw them, but now do, the first person who comes to my mind is Mignola. I didn't care for his heavy contrast, shadow based art at first, but now I love it.

21 minutes ago, comix4fun said:

  Only if he compares their worth ethics to one another. 

Well, the video does say that Liefeld was one of the few artists who could come close to matching the speed of Kirby, and if you say something on the internet (especially with an English accent) it's automatically true.

George Perez - Everyone talks about how great he is in person, but it's worth repeating. He is one of the friendliest and most engaging artists I've ever met. Back in the late 90's he ended up having lunch with me and my father purely by chance. I was a little star struck, but it was an awesome experience.

Frank Quitely - I wasn't sure what to expect when I met him a couple years back, but he ended up being fantastic. Very humble and engaging, quick to take a picture with fans and easy to talk to. Plus, he came back from lunch with a beer in hand. How awesome is that?

John Byrne - I know there are a lot of stories about him, but in the handful of times I met him in the late 90's, he was great. Funny and friendly guy. I also attended a charity auction he hosted, and he was amazing.

Angel Medina - He's just really friendly and loves to talk. Great guy.

I've met plenty of other artists who were nice as well, Ron Frenz, Chris Sprouse, Tom Grummett, Jon Bogdanove, Bart Sears, Alex Ross, the late Norm Breyfogle and I'm sure there are some I'm forgetting.

4 hours ago, Blastaar said:

There is no shortage of his pages as he has been working constantly since the late 80's early 90's. If George Perez had a monthly comic since '92 my guess is his price would be lower than it is now. 

I think it's more to do with subject matter and market desirability than quantity. To use your example, George Perez's work in the mid-90's on UltraForce or iBots is dirt cheap compared to his late 90's work on Avengers. I think the same can be said for Larsen to an extent. If you want his Spider-man work, you're gonna pay. If you're looking for Savage Dragon, it won't cost you nearly as much.

I have fond memories of reading Robin ll The Jokers Wild when I was young. RIP Tom Lyle.

1 minute ago, lobrac said:

US 1 pretty much crushes everything! 

 

You beat me to it 

Though the comment that Liefeld is a modern day Jack Kirby is patently absurd, it does not surprise me that Kirkman said it. He's an unabashed fanboy of the Image founders, especially Liefeld. He collects Original Art by Liefeld and even got the man folded back in to the Image family. The comparison is ridiculous of course, but if anyone was going to make it, Kirkman would be the guy.

George Perez, New Teen Titans #39.

12 hours ago, jjonahjameson11 said:

I realize art is subjective but OMG, I had to do a frigging double-take after reading your post!!!

Sticking a pencil up your arse and making crude squiggles on a page for 245 issues is NOT an accomplishment 

However, I will concede that convincing people to buy that  for 245 issues IS an accomplishment!

Actually, drawing a comic book with one's posterior for 245 issues probably would be an accomplishment, especially in today's art world. Juvenile humor aside though, it's okay to hate Larsen's work (I'm not actually much of a fan myself), but it IS an undeniable accomplishment to have written a drawn 245 consecutive issues of a self published title. Not even the almighty sumo emoji can change that.

At the risk of starting a Coolines tangent, I really do hate that they will attach non-original stats directly to some of the art they sell. I recently purchased a cover from another collector who himself had purchased the cover from Coolines, and both the title stat and credit stats were obviously not original and had to be (very carefully) removed. I just worry that over time these fake stats might bond enough with the art that, if removed, they could potentially damage the piece. This is something no original art lover would ever want in my opinion.

15 hours ago, J.Sid said:

Yeah, the importance of the creation of Image cannot be overstated. 

And you didn’t even mention Spawn, which in two weeks will be the longest-lived creator-owned comic when issue #301 hits the stands 

Agreed about Image. Regarding Spawn however, I'm far more impressed by the fact that Erik Larsen has written and drawn all 245 issues in on the Savage Dragon. In my opinion, if Larsen crosses the 300 issue threshold with that title, it's a much greater accomplishment. 

On 9/13/2019 at 3:30 PM, Blastaar said:

Not trying to take anything away from Perez, just if we are looking at say the top 5 or maybe 10 important/impactful living artist he is closer to #10 than #1. 

Disagree again, I would put him in my top 5. 

Top three in my opinion are Neal Adams, Frank Miller and George Perez.

3 hours ago, Blastaar said:

IMO.

The thing with Perez is that he is very workmanlike. He is the definition of a comic book artist. Solid at everything but does he excel at anything that would make him one of the most important or impactful artist living. Has he pushed the industry forward in anyway or inspired others to take on his style? Now if you are taking into account his body of work then he is without question a Mount Rushmore figure....but his art falls just a bit short. 

Does not excel at anything? I would beg to differ with that assessment. Perez was great at a lot of things. Great story teller, great draftsman, a master at drawing complex scenes involving tons of characters. For me, I was most impressed with his ability to give characters different body types. Ever notice how a lot of artists have characters that look the same? Same build, same facial features, stuff like that. Go look at Perez's later work on Teen Titans (issue #39 is a good example). Look at how the characters builds and facial structure differs, it's masterful. He experimented with different ideas such as the title sequence from "Who Is Donna Troy". He worked on numerous seminal stories. The template for "Major Event" comic art IS George Perez. Numerous artists have cited Perez as an influence including Jim Lee, Phil Jimenez, Tom Grummett, heck even Alex Ross was greatly inspired by Perez in his youth. Just because the industry isn't littered with carbon copy imitators doesn't mean that Perez lacked influence. 

For some of the stuff I follow, I thought the prices were on the soft side. The Angle Medina Warlock and the Infinity Watch cover for $1600 really surprised me, as did the Tom Grummett Titans title splash featuring Deathstroke for $569.

My oldest would be 1951. Cisco Kid by Jose Luis Salinas.

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8 hours ago, oldwhy said:

Totally different price points, but these two were shocking to me as well:

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/panel-pages/george-perez-and-mike-decarlo-tales-of-the-teen-titans-annual-3-page-16-original-art-dc-comics-/a/121929-15176.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/panel-pages/marc-silvestri-and-dan-green-wolverine-50-page-14-original-art-marvel-comics-1992-/a/121929-15200.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116

And what's up with prices for the Davis Excalibur pages at the Sunday auctions over the last couple of months? More than 2k for a page form issue 44? Is there a movie in the works? 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/alan-davis-and-mark-farmer-excalibur-44-story-page-20-original-art-marvel-1991-/a/121921-17033.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

 

 

If I had to guess, the Titans piece probably got a bit of a premium because it's an early Nightwing appearance and it's part of the Judas Contract story. I'm with you on the Davis Excalibur stuff though, I thought the consistent supply would keep prices steady and maybe even push them down a little. Nope, they just keep getting higher.

My "Death of Superman" page. It has Doomsday and Superman fighting and everything!!!

Kidding of course 

1 hour ago, Carl Elvis said:

I had trouble keeping track of the offers. Seems a lot of folks have found memories of this storyline.

Wow! You can never underestimate the power of nostalgia, but still ... Wow. Congrats on the sale.

13 hours ago, Carl Elvis said:

Page arrived today, definitely real, little bonus on the back, a photocopy of the third panel.

Page looks great. Congrats on the pick up.

9 hours ago, kav said:

ok this is odd-never seen oa page without copyright stamp on back.

It happens plenty. Not uncommon at all really.

Definitely real. The signature, production markings, art board and even the hand writing are in line with this book during this time period. The price of $300 is a good deal, but I don't think you need to be concerned about a fake here.

14:1 ratio Published to Unpublished.

For anyone who wants to get even more crazy dissecting their collection, I'll ask this question:

What is the ratio of art in your collection that you know you are the sole collector to have owned (in other words art you purchased from the artist or through the art rep) vs. art that has moved through other collectors hands? For me it's about 3:1 Previously Owned to Sole Ownership.