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What's this 'Kinda Around' stuff? Just because I'm not a graemlin posting fiend doesn't mean I'm not watching.

I agree that the Yannis fiasco is concerning. I would not buy or sell to him, however, since there is an actual aggrieved party involved it is up to THAT party to nominate Yannis to the list.

I realize (and support) that there are some voted to the list by majority action (i.e., DrFrankenstein), but that is a different kettle of fish. Frank was wholly misleading and went bat crazy when confronted with his actions. His response to the situation is what, in part, put him on the list. (IMHO)

Yannis' response wasn't nearly as strong. He DID apologize and didn't act like he was on PCP. Doesn't make what he did right in any respect, but it was wholly removed from Frank's stance.

That's the difference I see in these two.

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[quote name=rockman2008A deal is a deal [/quote]This goes back to why he sold to bat-man over mt1000. The former paid all in one shot compared to Matt who was planning on dividing time payments into who knows how long (? it's still unclear the time line agreed between mt1000 and yannis).

 

 

According to Dan, they were actually going to drive over there, pick the book up in person and finalize the deal on Saturday.

 

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Which would you prefer? Payment by electronic means that's guaranteed all at once.

 

Or would you rather wait for some stranger who may or may not show up with his friend at your door step after a four-hour drive? And if they do show up, wouldn't you be concerned about the possibility of being beaten up and robbed? The logistics for setting this up is a pain compared to the ease of a quick electronic payment. No?

This is the biggest load of BS ever. Matt got screwed plain and simple. If he was that concerned he could have insisted on a paypal payment first and met for then met for the pick-up.

I feel bad that Yannis is dealing with his personal situation but he didn't even give Matt the courtesy/opportunity to pay up first.

this whole thing just reeks of bad business. Probation list or not, you can scratch one buyer off my list of people who I'll deal with.

I'm not buying right now either way and I know there's the whole 'if Satan had a book someone wanted, yadda, yadda, yadda'.

Matt entered into the agreement in good faith. I also feel for Yannis' family situation, but to go back on one's word is not a person I care to deal with. I don't care if he's selling the freakin' Mona Lisa for $1.00.

Doesn't matter that he sold it to Bat-Man for less OR if he needed the cash immediately (at least IMHO). He contracted with Matt first and foremost - end of story.

I find it very disturbing that the buyer is aware of this thread but has been quiet until now. I don't want to throw anyone under the moped until we've heard both sides but it suggests that the buyer is giving the seller time to concoct a story.

 

In all fairness, the buyer may have bought the book completely unaware someone else had it on hold, thus he is caught in the middle of a dispute between two other parties. The fact that he had it in his sig line would indicate to me he was unaware there was any issue regarding the book.

 

He may be waiting for a response from the seller, and frankly I can't blame him for not jumping into the drama. And if I had a book that was the center of a dispute, I'd probably take it out of my sig line until the issue was resolved.

 

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The current buyer/holder of the book is caught between a rock and a hard place.

I find it more disturbing that the seller has yet to come forward. A simple, "We are in discussion to find an amicable solution for all parties." would go a long way in lessening the current drama/tension.

Thread is getting too long to fully read but I have not seen this point brought up.

 

What would happen if it was the other way around. A buyer says he will buy a book and then half way through the deal they pull out for whatever reason. I believe the seller could report it to the probation thread and the buyer would be put on the list. Shouldn't the same method be used in this case?

 

I would say so, yes.

 

The problem with this scenario is that the buyer has the ability to correct the situation and thus be removed from the probation list. By actually moving forward and buying said book.

 

In this situation the seller would have to make the situation right. How would he or she go about doing that? Offer the buyer a monetary recompense? Buy the book back from the actual person that bought the book from under Matt?

 

Pretty easy to resolve the first - not so for the second.

We are assuming a lot without hearing from all parties. If it is indeed the buyer who had two copies in his signature, he posted on a GA thread that he actually had 3 copies, perhaps he'd be honorable and sell one of them to the person who got left out. I know if I did something innocently, that's what I would do...and we DO need to hear from the seller.

 

Hopefully, there is a reasonable explanation. However, if there is not, then unfortunately I think this is a probation thread offense, the same way it would be if a buyer found a book for less and backed out of time payments. To get off the probation list, he'd have to find another acceptable book for the buyer.

I agree. As I mentioned above I'm surprised we haven't heard from the seller. If the seller has more than one copy that is the best (and easiest) course of action.

I thinks it's probation worthy as well, but ultimately that would be for Matt to decide. And while I agree that having the seller find another copy of the book for Matt is an option, I think that's a difficult proposition. Certainly not an impossible one just one that may be hard to do.

I'm in no way advocating the seller be let off the hook completely here.

Thread is getting too long to fully read but I have not seen this point brought up.

 

What would happen if it was the other way around. A buyer says he will buy a book and then half way through the deal they pull out for whatever reason. I believe the seller could report it to the probation thread and the buyer would be put on the list. Shouldn't the same method be used in this case?

 

I would say so, yes.

 

The problem with this scenario is that the buyer has the ability to correct the situation and thus be removed from the probation list. By actually moving forward and buying said book.

 

In this situation the seller would have to make the situation right. How would he or she go about doing that? Offer the buyer a monetary recompense? Buy the book back from the actual person that bought the book from under Matt?

 

Pretty easy to resolve the first - not so for the second.

 

I think it would be the first most likely but the second if it is possible would work also. It is the same if you get added to the list for not following through on a buy. If you want to get off the list the seller may not have the books, then what? I believe I have seen that offering some compensation has worked in the past.

 

Basically it's up to the seller that elected the buyer to the list. The seller will let the community know once the buyer has fulfilled their obligation (whatever that might be in the seller's eyes) and the buyer comes off the list.

 

I just don't think it's as clear cut when the seller causes issue - perhaps it should be. I think that's one reason these cases are raised here in General so that others can decide on their own about doing business with that party.

 

Right, I am not saying to add this seller to the list. Matt would have to request that. From what he has said so far all Matt wants is an explanation.

 

I was just answering the question posed by 1coolengineer.

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I'm a bit surprised the seller hasn't told his or her side of the story yet.

Thread is getting too long to fully read but I have not seen this point brought up.

 

What would happen if it was the other way around. A buyer says he will buy a book and then half way through the deal they pull out for whatever reason. I believe the seller could report it to the probation thread and the buyer would be put on the list. Shouldn't the same method be used in this case?

 

I would say so, yes.

 

The problem with this scenario is that the buyer has the ability to correct the situation and thus be removed from the probation list. By actually moving forward and buying said book.

 

In this situation the seller would have to make the situation right. How would he or she go about doing that? Offer the buyer a monetary recompense? Buy the book back from the actual person that bought the book from under Matt?

 

Pretty easy to resolve the first - not so for the second.

 

I think it would be the first most likely but the second if it is possible would work also. It is the same if you get added to the list for not following through on a buy. If you want to get off the list the seller may not have the books, then what? I believe I have seen that offering some compensation has worked in the past.

Basically it's up to the seller that elected the buyer to the list. The seller will let the community know once the buyer has fulfilled their obligation (whatever that might be in the seller's eyes) and the buyer comes off the list.

I just don't think it's as clear cut when the seller causes issue - perhaps it should be. I think that's one reason these cases are raised here in General so that others can decide on their own about doing business with that party.

Thread is getting too long to fully read but I have not seen this point brought up.

 

What would happen if it was the other way around. A buyer says he will buy a book and then half way through the deal they pull out for whatever reason. I believe the seller could report it to the probation thread and the buyer would be put on the list. Shouldn't the same method be used in this case?

 

I would say so, yes.

The problem with this scenario is that the buyer has the ability to correct the situation and thus be removed from the probation list. By actually moving forward and buying said book.

In this situation the seller would have to make the situation right. How would he or she go about doing that? Offer the buyer a monetary recompense? Buy the book back from the actual person that bought the book from under Matt?

Pretty easy to resolve the first - not so for the second.

Wake me when it's October.

 

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

That picture is just so inappropriate for this forum.

 

 

Girls with big beers are inappropriate?

 

The caption. I hit the Notify button.

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I'm pretty interested in seeing boardies reactions to who the seller is.

 

As Dr Banner has mentioned the Buddy/Friend/Long term business mentality might stifle some of that zeal for outright "public" condemnation.

 

Shouldn't make a difference IMHO. I get the friend/buddy aspect, but that still wouldn't make it right in my eyes.

Please see my post above.

Just adding my voice - not a comment on any viewpoint you made.

I'm pretty interested in seeing boardies reactions to who the seller is.

 

As Dr Banner has mentioned the Buddy/Friend/Long term business mentality might stifle some of that zeal for outright "public" condemnation.

Shouldn't make a difference IMHO. I get the friend/buddy aspect, but that still wouldn't make it right in my eyes.

Oy!

Leave the computer early and look what happens! I think we need a new rule that no new drama be posted after 5pm PST.

Sorry to hear of your troubles Matt. The seller definitely needs to speak up!

 

She's going twist my posts regardless of what I say, so I'm just giving her what she wants.

 

Danimal, control your woman.

 

 

Does anyone else feel their weapon is undersized?

 

Perhaps, but the wife has no complaints so I have none either.

I think the media is to blame for these guys' oh so enlightened assertion that the media is to blame for women's body-image issues, if any.

 

That was not a tautology.

 

These guys are spewing stuff that they've heard in, well, the media, in an attempt to sound enlightened and informed and sensitive toward women's issues. It is, therefore, ironic that a woman is giving them the business on this point. I bet they never saw it coming.

 

They are also under the belief that the majority of folks (in this case the majority of the female gender) is so weak-willed and sheep-like that they are brainwashed by advertising, tv, movies, etc.

 

To recap:

 

1) these male posters are trying to make themselves look good;

2) these male posters think the folks are stupid kitties

 

Do you all see what happens when we let women post?

I think the media is to blame for these guys' oh so enlightened assertion that the media is to blame for women's body-image issues, if any.

 

That was not a tautology.

 

These guys are spewing stuff that they've heard in, well, the media, in an attempt to sound enlightened and informed and sensitive toward women's issues. It is, therefore, ironic that a woman is giving them the business on this point. I bet they never saw it coming.

 

They are also under the belief that the majority of folks (in this case the majority of the female gender) is so weak-willed and sheep-like that they are brainwashed by advertising, tv, movies, etc.

 

To recap:

 

1) these male posters are trying to make themselves look good;

2) these male posters think the folks are stupid kitties

 

No, you're just taking it that way.

 

What I said I have heard from the mouth of many women. I'm 40 and have talked to quite a few of them. I've been in several long term relationships and I've observed women for more than 1/2 my life. I also have 3 daughters ages 9 to 15 and I observe their behavior regularly and tackle these self esteem issues daily or weekly.

 

I was also a player (at least in my own mind) in my single days and I made it my mission to figure out what makes women tick. Sue me.

 

I think COI is spot on, but it was wasn't meant to be an attack on women just an observation...and the flip side of the coin applies to most men.

 

Their looks, genital size, hair, income, weight, car they drive and reputation are all important and often directly related to their self esteem issues. We just don't go about talking about openly with everyone but might with a close friend.

 

To be fair, everyone's self esteem issues have some sort of a root cause and it's different for everyone.

 

Sorry Roy - you just don't present yourself as a *player* - at least not from what I've seen.

I think the media is to blame for these guys' oh so enlightened assertion that the media is to blame for women's body-image issues, if any.

 

That was not a tautology.

 

These guys are spewing stuff that they've heard in, well, the media, in an attempt to sound enlightened & informed & sensitive toward women's issues. It is, therefore, ironic that a woman is giving them the business on this point. I bet they never saw it coming.

 

They are also under the belief that the majority of folks (in this case the majority of the female gender) is so weak-willed & sheep-like that they are brainwashed by advertising, tv, movies, etc.

 

To recap:

 

1) these male posters are trying to make themselves look good;

2) these male posters think the folks are stupid p u zzies.

If I spouted even the hint of a thought that the female gender is weak or any such nonsense I wouldn't live through the night. My wife would set me straight.

However, I don't think COI was stating that opinion.

For the record

 

I like women and I'm not insecure about my weapon

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I'm not saying that at all. What I am saying, is that men shouldn't alway assume that majority or all women have these issues.

 

So you agree with donut that the majority of young women are fixated on their appearance, but you just don't want men to point it out. Understood.

 

is that a question?

 

would it be safe to say that women should assume that majority of men are insecure about their p.e.n.i.s size becuase of what is seen in po.rn?

 

or is that a horse of a different color? enlighten me...please

Yes.

I can't think of a single woman I know who needs to feel that way

 

These discussions are silly because we all instinctually hide our insecurities, and some people can hide them really well. I have dated some women that I thought were beautiful and extremely confident, only to find out about some seriously deep rooted insecurities much later in the relationship. To assume that people are secure because they don't openly display their insecurities is ludicrous, because as I said, our instinct is to hide them at all costs.

 

To me, at least in this society, common sense dictates that the majority of women, particularly younger women, are fixated on their appearance, as evidenced by the plethora of fashion mags, the fact that plastic surgeons own Yachts, the fact that women spend in the 5 figures on makeup annually, and the fact that the fashion industry is largely catered to women.

 

Would you kindly explain to me why you insist on going on about this? You are not a woman, nor will you ever be. Therefore, how can you know how all or majority of women feel? Because you have seen what society can do to women you know? I'm just a bit confused as to why you keep going on about this...

Because he is a man who's touch with his peter. Really, it is a mighty weapon.

Many men get dissatisfied with their mates because they see pictures of women that look "better" when in fact they generally don't look like that in real life.

 

I think it's the other way around. I think women are always dissatisfied with themselves because they're trying to live up to those impossible standards.

 

Even if you're dating a perfect 10, it often gets old. Just the way we're wired. I don't think any reasonably intelligent guy over 25 actually thinks real women look like that.

 

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Yeah

 

Yeah, I almost blew up about it but I just don't have the energy

 

The keepers are the ones that are happy within their own skin.

And if I may add "the least amount of problems"

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In this situation, I would say your last word on the subject is gullible.

 

Clever, my dear Watson, very clever. Am I alone in noticing the the last word in your post was "gullible", thus doubling the impact?

I wasn't that clever, pov.

 

Clever, very clever my dear Watson. Am I alone in noticing the the last word in your post was "pov", thus doubling the sense of addressing me?

I come home from work to find 375 new posts in this thread? Dang does'nt anyone work around here?

 

No.

Certainly not by choice in my case.

I come home from work to find 375 new posts in this thread? Dang does'nt anyone work around here?

No.