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On 1/8/2024 at 8:34 PM, jick said:

Thanks to all the replies.  Now I have done more research through original art in Heritage and their attributions.  Some are absolute because they are signed by the artist, or in the case of Al Hartley - it is from his estate.

This is what I have gathered so far:

Al Hartley: draws Jughead without bangs, and his crown facing down and near his eyebrows.  So I think all he drew is "Prize Size."

Dan DeCarlo: little details on ears, usually just as "S" or vertical "M" or "W"; Betty's side hair is usually feathered in horizontal lines going to her ear, while other artists draw that part as a single line.  It looks like he did not draw anything from this issue.

Samm Schwartz: line weight has less contrast/variation from thick/thin; hardly uses feathering techniques; Jughead's eyes are always closed and he draws it with one horizontal and one vertical line - unlike others who add a bit more definition.  I have him for "Sun & Fun," "Vacation Elation," and "Spray Cans For Teens."

Joe Edwards as the creator of Lil Jinx surely drew "Beware of Dog" and "Constructive Thinking."

There is an unknown artist whose style appears at least four times: "Dipsy Doodle (page 11)," "Chap Trap," "Still Life," "Borrow Sorrow," and "Deep Sleep."  His style is that Jughead has bangs drawn as a rectangle, and there is horizontal feathering of fine lines in this bangs and also in his side hair that drops to his sideburns.  Would anyone know who this artist may be?

As for Stan Goldberg, my searches came up dry with Golberg Archie art from this period (1960 to 1973) so I am not sure where he fits in here.

There is also another style similarity I can see in "Dipsy Doodles (page 44)," "Real Cool Kid" and "Snack Attack" where the artist draws a single strand of hair sticking out above the bangs below Jughead's crown.  But they could be different artists or inkers.

So that is the best I can come up with. 

Nice work. I read my original posting and I realize that I suggested that Sun Fun was done by Hartley. I miswrote that and definitely agree with you that it was Schwartz and so I agree that the only At Hartley page is Prize Size.

On 1/6/2024 at 5:45 PM, jick said:

Any chance the pieces you attribute to Goldberg to be DeCarlo? What are the distinguishing marks in their styles?

No, I don't think it's DeCarlo at all. While there are characteristics and distinguishing qualities between DeCarlo and Goldberg, I find it difficult to articulate them. For me, it comes down to being very familiar with DeCarlo's art enough to be pretty sure whether it's him or not. Something to keep in mind is that DeCarlo's art was considered to be the house style and from what I've read, Archie Comics asked other artists to draw like him, so it's not unusual for mistake Goldberg's work at the time compared to DeCarlo's. I've also read that people think that AL Hartley's work is similar to DeCarlo although I think they are quite different.

On 1/6/2024 at 11:28 AM, jick said:

Based on Wiki, Goldberg left Marvel in 69 and worked in DC for three years. Since this issue was 1971, it's possible that Goldberg did not work for Archie yet.

Possible, although GCD does attribute some Archie work in 1971 to Goldberg. I know less about him than some of the other artists. I know he did a ton of work for Archie Comics in the 1970s.

That is a great pickup. I'm a fan of Archie art and have spent some time trying to identify the various Archie artists. Here is my best guess at the artists from your book.

I agree with Mickey7 that Sun Fun is by Al Hartley

My best guess is that Serve Verve, both Dipsy Doodle pages, Snack Attack, Real Cool Kid, and Chap Trap are all Stan Goldberg. I think that Still Life is also Goldberg. I do see hints of Dan DeCarlo in the female character but not enough to make me think it's him.

You are right about Spray Can for Teens being by Samm Schwartz. It's definitely his work. He also drew Sun Fun and Vacation Elation.

I'm not sure about Hitch Switch or Jive Dive. It could be Goldberg. 

I'm also not sure about Borrow Sorry and Sleep Deep. 

I'll update a few of these on GDC. 

As for prices, I think it's a very interesting topic and not an easy one to summarize. Art prices tend to come down to:

• Vintage (pages from the 1940s are rare and tend to go for prices in the 4 figures and up). Pages from 50s and 60s will usually go for more than art from the 1970s etc.
• Artist Art from the more well-known artists including DeCarlo, Harry Lucey, Bob Montana, and Samm Schwartz is the most abundant and can fetch decent prices.
• Characters As MAR1979 said, art with Betty and Veronica will go for more than art without them and if they are in bikinis, then it will go for even more.
• Format  covers, pinups, and splashes will typically go for more than interior pages. Archie art is unique in that most stories are 5-6 pages in length and these stories are often for sale as a whole. 

Heritage recently had an all Archie auction and some of the prices were pretty decent. The cover to Madhouse 1 by Lucey went for $24,000 and more recently, two Bob Montana covers from the 1950s sold for $26,400 and $20,400 respectively. So some of the higher-end covers. Then there's the 5-page story with the first appearance of Sabrina that went for $114,000. That's a bit of a unique case though, of course.

Anyway, great pickup. I always enjoy chatting about Archie artists and art.

That was really enjoyable to watch. What a collection. Nice to hear Byrne talk about comics in general.