Cleangone

On 12/7/2017 at 12:35 PM, stinkininkin said:

Another fun listen Felix.  While not relevant to the more important stuff about what to do with deals that involve stolen art, I'm wondering if the now completed sale of the Electra Saga cover make everyone involved feel whole again?  Have you talked to Dave or Andy since the auction as an addendum?  And while not meaning to stir anything up, I thought the price realized on the Electra was a little light (28k), and I wonder if there's any second guessing going on from that angle.

Keep those pod casts coming!

Scott

Hey Scott -

It's my once-quarterly CGC post (for some reason, this board has just never ended up in my daily art comings and goings)...

Other than the some stray, unavoidable, woulda-coulda-shoulda thoughts, I have no second guessing on the sale.  I am happy the piece ended up with a person who loves it, and congratulated Jeff as soon as I found out.  It lived in the back of a closet for 15 years, and now the last chapter of the story has been written and it can come out and see the sun (through UV blocking museum glass, of course).  Any desire to have made more on the sale is 95% within the context of wanting Dave to have made more, with the remaining 5% to rear its head about the time another Kirby Lord of Light piece hits the market.  

andy

2 minutes ago, Nexus said:

Actually, they've been over $10K at auction before:

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/mike-mignola-hellboy-seed-of-destruction-1-story-page-15-original-art-dark-horse-1994-/a/7141-93178.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/mike-mignola-hellboy-seed-of-destruction-2-story-page-23-original-art-dark-horse-1994-/a/7163-93167.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

 

Add Mignola to the list of markets I've lost track of...

The Oliff-colored (but not badly) Miller DD #166 page went relatively cheap at $8400.

What do people think it would've gone for if not colored?  (And forgive me if this has already been discussed)

37 minutes ago, comix4fun said:

Well, this was a Seed of Destruction page, that's probably a significant portion of the closing figure. 

Has a Seed page ever gotten close to $10K before?

21 hours ago, Unca Ben said:

Listening to the podcast and looking at the Kirby piece got me thinking about something I've considered before:
Is a piece like this really comic book art or is it art by a comic book artist?
Is there a difference; could there be a difference?  Does the term 'comic book art' refer to a genre and style, or does the term imply usage and application?
Re: True or False - "comic book art is a drawing or drawings intended to be used to create a comic book, published or unpublished.  Then there is comic book related art."

Interesting question - one I had never thought of.   It applies to a Wrightson Frankenstein plate as well, and those are generally considered the peak of Bernie's career.  So to answer your question, I'd say applying "comic art" to only to pieces that were created for a comic is unnecessarily restrictive.

Either that or it's accurate and Glen Gold needs to sell the Dream Machine Kirby painting to me because he is a comic art collector and I am a comic-related art collector.

andy

On 3/10/2017 at 10:52 AM, delekkerste said:

After all this talk about the "Andy Robbins Technique", I now consider Andy Robbins to be the Tony Robbins of the comic art world.  "Transform your collection and accelerate your path to collecting freedom!  No matter your budget, your stage of collecting, or when you started, Andy will provide you the tools to help you optimize your collection more rapidly than you ever thought possible!"

I'd like to transform my bank account to his...

andy

14 hours ago, wurstisart said:

Euro is expensive and I want to say 20 % buyers fee! 

I believe it's 24%, with an additional VAT tax of 24% of that BP.  You're supposed to get the VAT back, but they have months to do that.

And if you go through Invaluable (the auction has shown up there), it's 29%.  IMO, I'll pay the extra 5% as an insurance policy to be able to use a CC.

andy

Do you know if they are working on live bidding via Invaluable? There's a logo in the catalog, but neither the site nor auction are currently on the invaluable site.

Realistically, altering one Jae Lee page isn't going to cause ripples in the supply. Similarly, if I can add to my previous point, objections are raised because collectors entered the hobby on the premise that each page is unique and one-of-a-kind. In this respect, yes, what the OP did was sacrilege. But to Gene's point, this is one altered one-of-a-kind piece among a million one-of-a-kind pieces in the hobby. Is it really that special?

But because the work was done on the page, its uniqueness and one-of-a-kind-ness was not affected. it's still the unique, one-of-a-kind original to that page of the book. In this respect, it's the blueline inks of pages that are more sacrilegious.

andy

A quick note - I assumed it was Jae himself who did the digital inks. If that's not true, just insert "artist" into my self-righteous statement above.

andy

I'm not a regular cgc-boardster, but was pointed to this thread for obvious reasons.

IMO, congratulations on a project well done. You now have one of the best looking pages from that book, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more Jae post-inked pages showing up. I disagree with people that say it's no longer the original page and is now some type of recreation - you had the inker ink the page. The inker! And I completely agree with your idea to do it on the actual page. I'm not a fan of blueline inks unless it's a project where multiple inkers are doing their interpretation of an image, a-la the Big Wow auction pieces. We're not talking about a 5-figure 40 year old page. It's a several hundred dollar modern page who's brothers and sisters can be purchased at Albert's any day of the week.

If he had all day to labor over pages, and the page itself was the end result, I'd be willing to bet Jae would have inked them all for publication. But as technology advances, artists continue to explore ways to get published books out faster and more reliably. Some pencil and then ink digitally. Some pencil digitally and then ink manually. Some piece pages together panel by panel. Some drop-in digital backgrounds or digital zip-like tones/screens. But regardless of the specific process, the physical page looks less and less like the printed product.

I can see where people do not liked inked prelims - that is taking something that was meant to be in pencil form and changing it. But here, you had the time (not on a deadline) and money to revisit a page meant for inks, and allow the artist himself to fully express what he would have wanted the page to look. And not that you need more ammo for your side of the discussion, but look at the positive response Jae himself gave you. He could have said the the page was already finished, but instead he liked the idea.

andy robbins

Where on your list do you place digital pencils and physical inks by the same artist (the case Malvin referred to)?

andy

I'm highly conflicted about making this post, but doing so won out ever so slightly over not making a negative comment...

Having said that, IDW (don't want to assume Scott does everything) has to work on their quality control of their scans. The Mignola Screw On Head book was quite uneven, and very disappointing because the worst scans were in the featured story. They were color scans, but the contrast was very high, with lots of too-white whites and too-black blacks. You couldn't even tell where the comic page ended and the 1/4" book page border started. And to contrast that, many of the other smaller stories had good scans, which made the main ones look even worse.

This was very surprising, since Mignola has said repeatedly the book is not for sale, leading to the assumption that IDW had access to the physical pages. If I was a conspiracy guy, I'd wonder if it was quietly sold for a giant box of money at some point, and the scans were second-hand. But I'm not, so I won't...

andy

Here's a page that cost a bit moar than $1700

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1328850

I was trying to be all sly in the CAF update, but people called my bluff and didn't care. So now I'm here pimping it in order to feel a little better about myself...

andy

Where can I find my CAF#? I joined in 2003 though I haven't been very active the last few years.

Navigate to your gallery - I believe people are quoting the gcat number in the url, which is probably a pretty good assumption.

andy - #345