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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Shroedinger's Cat yet.

I didn't think whether or not the trunk was opened since 1955 was worth debating. Nope and yes. My guess is just as legit as anyone else's at this point.

You were when you said that there were two copies of Action #1 and no other comics. If you weren't then I misread your post. A combination of things. The artwork on the books, the way the story unfolded, my gut instinct.

No, I said I wouldn't judge it as a scam on just the fact that an Action #1 was the only book found. But nice try. ;- )

The suspense is killing me!

Some of the comments in those Facebook groups are hilarious.

It would be interesting to hear from some lawyers on what the exact legal position is on something like this. I would assume that the certification company would ultimately be responsible but who exactly would be responsible in trying to make it right is what is in question.

On that alone I wouldn't judge the story. There have been plenty of finds that have defied logic. Action #1 found in the walls of a house but no other comics found. Superman #1 sewn into an armchair but no other comics. It happens. I've seen elaborate scams before (and more elaborate than this). I do think this is a scam with enough truth to trick the average Joe to part with his money.

That depends. Does the Fantasti-car or wrong-handed-Johnny appear in the movie?

I agree. I have to agree with this. You can't expect to take risks, score and then get a full refund if you lose. If you can't afford to lose, don't take the risk in the first place. If the book was sealed in a slab when you bought it, you got exactly what you paid for. And I sympathize with you, as someone who has been burned over my 15+ years of buying over the internet but that is real life.

Why is this CGC's problem? That's on Fed Ex. CGC's liability for your order ends when they hand it off to the carrier. If the carrier messes up, your package gets lost or stolen that's between you and the carrier. Also, if the carrier can't be trusted to let just anyone pick up a package without ID, then why should we trust them to deliver to the correct address and/or obtain a signature? Also, why is it okay to have the package shipped to the carrier facility (i.e. Fed Ex Office) directly. Doesn't this offer the same "danger" that CGC is trying to avoid? It's definitely sounding like it's a carrier issue. Laziness, rushing, apathy causing carriers to deliver packages to people without checking ID is a problem and CGC changing their policy to protect themselves puts the burden on the customer. This sort of thing should be taken up with Fed Ex directly to get their carriers to follow protocol. It's a serious problem that I bet doesn't only happen in comics.

I think CGC should open up next door to my home so I never have to leave. I can just hand my books out the window and their staff can hand them back to me when they're done. Easy peasy.

A (poorly) faked Action Comics #1 CGC 9.0 has popped up in a discussion in another forum.

Did anyone ever figure out where this book was being offered? There have also been fake Superman #1 and Batman #1 books offered in tampered slabs as well.

I'd like to reinforce that the books are generally out there. It might take a little more elbow grease to find them but they can be found.

I'd have to guess that if the sale was completed through eBay that it would get reported to GPA. How long ago did the sale happen? eBay sales generally appear on GPA within 24-48 hours.

The abuse of selling Stan's Sigs after posing as a 'fan' is why I stated he doesn't really need to sign anything any more. If it's the fan experience, both sides can have that experience without a signature, and if you simply MUST have a Stan sig, it's likely the most abundant sig in the hobby. Again, just my opinions as a person. I will admit that I'm not a sig guy at all so my opinion is biased by that but I have bought Stan Lee sig books in the past just to own one. My one and only meeting with Stan was both funny and a little revealing at the same time. I bumped into him at Wizard World Chicago as he was entering a restaurant and I stated to him "I know this happens a lot..." He replied smiling, stating "Oh son, it happens far too often."

Fair.

I never saw that one!

Careful, I broke my foot on one of those.

It adds an unnecessary and complicated layer of possibilities that increases not only the costs to Fed Ex (which will eventually mean rate increases to cover lost time and costs) but also increases unnecessary exposure of the books to the rigors of travel back and forth across the country.

So the driver lied and didn't make an attempt? I'd report it. Complete BS.

Maybe I'm reading something that is not there.... I didn't mean to imply that you did say anything in regards to what I posted. I was simply speaking my mind and posting my opinion and happened to piggy back it off of your post.

The way to do that is to meet fans, talk to them and not be forced to sign anything else. I've met countless legends that way - Carmen Infantino, Don Heck, Al Felstein. If you want to contribute, you buy something but take the pressure off of the person on the other side of the table. That would be much more satisfying IMO than just forcing 400 sigs a day.

It's a dark corner of the hobby when someone worries about the quality of a sig more than the well being of the person.