BobBretall

Not sure if you are unhappy because you own a restored book and "want" it to be worth more or something else, but this is just silly.

No.

I'm looking to buy an AF #15 and as I look I just have never observed any sales that follow the advice you guys are giving (e.g., I have yet to see a restored copy for sale at 20% of the unrestored price) in the lower grades.

So, I am taking your advice as a "I have yet to observe it in the wild" type of thing, in the context of AF #15.

Further, I'm saying give me a heads up if anyone actually sees someone selling a restored AF 15 at 20% of what an unrestored goes for, because at that price I'd actually be interested.

The advice was useful/interesting, I'm now going to need to see how it bears up in the reality of actually buying an AF #15 because the SELLERS I'm seeing are certainly going for the gusto on the prices they're asking on restored books (especially trimmed ones), which is certainly not following this guidance, so thanks for the advice everyone.

I'm really trying to understand (based on data I'm seeing not matching the advice), not argue.

the relative value of a restored book remains about 20-50% of comparable blue label grades.

I see the 50% end of this regularly in the low grades, I do NOT seem to be seeing the 20% end of this range in the lower grades.

Maybe also depends on the grade. I'm not looking at high grades.

In 4.0, unrestored GPA avg is 9800

--> a 4.0 with married pages sold for 5256 in Oct

--> 4.0 trimmed/married sold for 4780 also in Oct

In 3.5, unrestored avg is 8329

--> a 3.5 trimmed sold for 4183 in March

This is certainly not a 20% scenario.

I think you guys are observing another common variation. The higher the grade, the less tolerance there is for this kind of thing. In the low grades it seems to not make as much difference.

I'd happily get a trimmed 7.0 for $6274 so if anyone sees one come up somewhere, let me know.

I once had an 8.5 AF 15 with slight resto, just color touch in a couple spots (an amount that might not have lowered the grade much at all if it had been defacing marks), and it sold for less than people are asking today for a 3.0 or even a 2.5 That much reduction is too steep and I am sure the person who bought it either sold it for much more or will sell it for much more if and when they do.

How long ago did you sell it? The book has gone up a LOT in recent years. Anything that happened with it more than 2 or 3 years ago would not seem to apply in today's marketplace.

Heck, 1.0s are going for $5k now.

Rule of thumb, for even the bigger keys as well, is restored value will be 20-50% of blue label value of a comparable grade. (thumbs u

 

-J.

I'm really not observing this to be true for AF 15.

If you can point me to some example where one of these is selling for 20% of Blue label I'll also pony up a finder fee like Ninja.

(NOTE: Exception here is GLOD books with married pages. Those don't seem to be selling for larger %s of blue.)

The demand for "affordable" mega SA keys is huge right now so there are gladly people who will gladly pay ~65% for a purple label with some CT and tear seals and a reinforced cover.

A lot of the restored AF 15s I'm seeing have the "demon trimming" and seem to be selling just fine as well.

Yes. What I'm observing is that Key Silver Age books seem to sell with restoration while if you're trying to sell that restored copy of Captain Savage & his Leatherneck Raiders #4 then you're pretty much out of luck....

Here's another broken link:

http://www.harleyyeecomics.com/

Looks like Harley lost the domain. Click on this & the domain is "for sale"

These also come up "domain not available" or domains for sale

http://www.colmorecomics.com/

http://www.vaultauctions.com/

http://www.goldustcomics.com/

This is certainly useful feedback.

Since I'm not buying for resale/investment, I'd be happy to buy a restored AF 15 for a fraction of the unrestored price. The trick is finding someone selling one for some price that's not crazy.

This "fraction of unrestored for trimmed books" is not being embraced by sellers who are listing restored AF 15s at crazy high prices, and seem to be getting people to bite & pay these prices on occasion, as there are a decent number of recorded sales at fairly good percentages of unrestored.

As an FYI:

http://www.collectorsassemble.com

http://www.comiccollectors.net

Now both point to the following site:

http://www.qualitycomix.com

Seems like those 2 could be taken off the list in the "key post"

This is also now a broken link:

http://www.pcei.com/

On AF 15, restored books seem to go for 30 - 60% of unrestored in same grade.

I'm getting the feeling this is not the experience of people, but I also think people are taking experience from non-keys and applying it to ultra-keys.

I think they are kind of apples & oranges on this, at least that is what the data would suggest.

Isn't it generally 10% of Blue except trimming which kills the price even more?

This certainly does not seem to be borne out by the GPA data on AF 15.

I could easily see it being true for just some random comic though...

With restoration, it really varies from book to book. But if you have a trimmed/color touched 5.0, it would likely be worth less than a 2.0 unrestored book (the spread between restored value and unrestored value is much bigger than comparing a 5.0 restored to a 3.5/4.0 unrestored like you mentioned in your first post -- it is more like 5.0 restored to 1.0/1.5 unrestored). And trimming would probably be the type or restoration to avoid, as it can never be undone, whereas color touch or an added piece could potentially be removed.

For a key like AF #15 this certainly does not seem to be reflected in the GPA data.....

It may be true for some random book, but on keys, they seems to be documented as selling for much higher prices.

Your best bet would be to get a subscription to GPA and you can see what restored copies bring in compared to Blue label.

I did get a GPA account (yesterday) and I have looked at realized prices.

I've also had people on another thread telling me all about how GPA is not reflective of all sales and should be used with a grain of salt.

SO.....while I am well aware that every book is different, I am asking here for people's OPINION.

What do you think about this? What would you Personally pay for a 5.0 that is trimmed/color-touched (all other things being equal)?

You CERTAINLY would not pay what you'd pay for an unrestored copy, I'm assuming.

I'm sure this is a repeat topic, but the "search" on this forum doesn't seem to work particularly well.

Newbie to CGC-land here looking for people to chime in on what restoration does to the value of Key Silver Age books (Like Amazing Fantasy #15 or FF #1)

If there's a restored 5.0 with color touch & trimmed edges, for the people who would even consider getting a restored book (I know some people avoid them like the plague), what's a fair comparison?

Should a Restored Key 5.0 be selling around what a 4.0 unrestored sells for? a 3.5? 3.0?

What do the luminaries of the board have to say, who are of a mind to share their knowledge with a newbie...