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1 hour ago, telerites said:

Good luck - it is a cool book.  I think I saw one of the SS books where Stan had written something like, Yep, that's me under the mask.  I wish I would have thought about asking him to do something like that when I got mine signed.  

I found the one you are talking about, I have been doing a lot of research on this book over the past few days. Great comment! I am beginning to just love this book. 

1 hour ago, telerites said:

I like this book times three (so far)...

Wow! You have 3 of the total 29 graded by CGC. The more I look at this book the more I like it. I may have to go deep on this one. Thanks!

32 minutes ago, Dr. Love said:

One thing to keep in mind.  It's mistakenly categorized in Ebay under Modern > Superhero > Spiderman so there will be less eyeballs on it than should be.  If you were ever inclined to go for it, this would seem to be the time.

I didn't even notice that, thank you! You are probably right about this being the time. 

5 hours ago, Jeffro™ said:

It's the highest graded copy and has Stan's sig. It's unique. It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I know that doesn't help much but it's true nonetheless.

My pockets go deep, but I don't think I could spend as much a serious collectors who probably have a lot more money than I. Thanks!

2 hours ago, Tony S said:

The seller of this book has had it listed BIN with best offer for a long time - and at widely varying prices. It spent a long time at - if Memory serves me correctly - about $40,000. Then over a period of time it dropped down as low as $5,000. I thought about buying it at that price even though I have a 6.5 graded by Voldy. It's spent it's last few months at $8.000. Be interesting to see where this lands price wise. 

Wow, I guess you are right, I don't think the seller even knows what it is worth, it is a one of a kind and a very unique item, but who can tell what it might be worth? 

Thanks for the info. 

5 hours ago, Jeffro™ said:

It's the highest graded copy and has Stan's sig. It's unique. It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I know that doesn't help much but it's true nonetheless.

Thanks, I think you are right, now I have to think about how much I am willing to pay for it. 

Hi, I saw a 1950 Black Rider #8  (#1) comic on ebay and I was wondering how much it might be worth? Do you think it might be a good investment?

The comic is the highest graded CGC issue, an 8.0 and it has a beautiful Stan Lee autograph on it.

There are only 29 total graded by CGC, which seems very very low. There is one issue graded higher in the CGC Census but it has been restored and I am not interested in any restored comics.

The comic is on auction and is up to $2000 so far. 

I was thinking that I would place a bid on it, but I wanted to know what the CGC experts on the chat board think before I do.

Does anyone know how much this might be worth? or if it might be a good investment? The Auction ends next Saturday, the 24th of August.

Thanks!

Hi, I saw a 1950 Black Rider #1,8 comic on ebay and I was wondering how much it is worth? Do you think it might be a good investment?

The comic is the highest graded CGC issue, an 8.0 and it has a beautiful Stan Lee autograph on it. There is one issue graded higher in the CGC Census but it has been restored and I am not interested in any restored comics.

The comic is on auction and is up to $2000 so far. It is a really rare comic and very few have been graded according to the CGC Census. 

I was thinking that I would place a bid on it, but I wanted to know what the CGC experts on the chat board thinks before I do.

Does anyone know how much this might be worth, or if it might be a good investment? The Auction ends next Saturday, the 24th of August.

Thanks!

1 hour ago, Bomber-Bob said:

What exactly are you arguing for ? What do you want from CGC? CGC hasn't 'said' anything. Apparently they are not acknowledging a 1st app in comics for Stan. Maybe they are trying to respect him. If not for the possibility of more money for your comic , why are you on this crusade ? Nodody, and I mean nobody is seeing it your way (whatever way that is). Please leave . 

Listen Blubber Bob, call CGC and ask them. I have had many conversations with CGC reps, in person and of course on the phone, they will tell anyone who asks that the 1950 Black Rider is the first comic book appearance of Stan Lee. This is what they say, and I never said that I agreed with it, but it is what CGC has "said" in person to me. When you say...."CGC hasn't 'said' anything. Apparently they are not acknowledging a 1st app in comics for Stan" is almost understanding what this topic is about. 

Of course it would mean more money for 1 of my comics. Duh, 

Let me make this very simple for you blubber boy, Stan Lee has been a character in hundreds of comics, what is his 1st appearance. I know...call CGC and ask them. Surely they would know. 

Then tell me what they say. Until then...go eat some more ice cream.  

Just now, Lazyboy said:

Wow, I really didn't think my opinion of you could get any lower. Good job proving me wrong.

hahaha, i am so sorry. please don't have a low opinion of me. I am so sorry if I offended you in any way. Please, oh please forgive me. I won't be able to sleep tonight if you don't forgive me. I feel so terrible. Please fat n lazy little boy. 

2 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

I don't know. Is your mirror broken?

Do the notes change reality? No, they don't. Thanks for playing, genius.

yes they change reality Bevis, they determine the price. Is money real in your reality?

2 minutes ago, 1950's war comics said:

i never heard of Spider Punk before but good job 

Spider-Punk has 3 covers and is becoming very popular in the "Spider Geddon" series. Don't be surprised to see his own series soon. 

3 minutes ago, ExNihilo said:

What part of "CGC is a 3rd party grading company" did you miss?  What they say isn't fact.  What they do is take what the market relays to them.  And sometimes that's wrong.  I've provided a reasonable amount of logical evidence which is more than you've brought to the conversation.  You've yet to provide a reasonable argument as to why you believe Black Rider is the "1st appearance."

You really can't be serious. I must have written it 10 times, this is what CGC says. CGC is saying that the 1950 Black Rider is his first appearance, call them. 

You are kidding me right? 

3 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

Congratulations on being the king of irrelevant garbage?

 CGC's issue notes are completely irrelevant. They do not matter. EVER!

Wow! How stupid can some people be? 1st appearance notes, according to this genius, do not matter, EVER!

Tell that to the guy who is selling the book that has in the notes "Spider-Man's 1st appearance". 

11 minutes ago, ExNihilo said:

And yet here we are 3 pages in and you still don't get what we've expressed to you.

Again, Alice Cooper is listed as a 1st appearance because the main character in the story is Alice Cooper.  It has nothing to do with him being a real person.  If that story was written and they decided to name the character Calice Ooper, the CGC notation would read "1st appearance of Calice Ooper".  No such character by the name "Stan Lee" appears in Black Rider.  That character DOES appear in Margie Comics #36 so if any book gets the 1st appearance distinction...that is the one (unless someone comes forward with an earlier valid appearance).

You do understand that you are really arguing with CGC. 3 pages in and you are still confused. You say "It has nothing to do with him being a real person" is exactly the opposite of what CGC says. Give them a call sometime. They will tell you that they do not recognize 1st appearances of "real people". Tell them it has nothing to do with being a real person, it's the main character, blah blah blah. Then let me know how loud they laugh at you before they hang up on you for being so ignorant. Your lack of knowledge is wasting my time. Please just go on to another post that you might understand, if their are any.   

29 minutes ago, 1950's war comics said:

i have to agree and .. as great as Stan was , he still is not up there with The Beatles ,,, and they also were on many comic covers in the 60's but i don't think any one of them is designated as the first cover appearance 

I know that Tiger Woods is noted with a "1st Tiger Woods Cover" on his 1st Sports Illustrated cover, issued October 1996.

CGC does not recognize many 1st appearances, I think the Beatles and many others should be recognized with a Comic Book 1st Appearance, like so many other "Real People" when they appear. 

By the way, CGC will now put Spider-Punk 1st appearance on label, thanks to me notifying them about it. So who knows who decides at CGC on the issue of who should be noted with a first appearance. It is not my job to tell them, but because of me Spider-Punk, Pickle Rick and others with now have a notation on the label that it is their 1st appearance. 

Something is very wrong if I have to tell them about this before they make any changes. 

1 minute ago, Hutch88 said:

Isn't there a story in Margie Comics #36 where Stan is drawn, with a multi panel role? (1947) This would also predate the Black Rider... 

Yes, he goes on a date with Margie and then he leaves her flat. Yes it predates the 1950 Black Rider. CGC is saying that The Black Rider is Stan Lee's 1st appearance, but they will not have it noted on the label, or any other label for that matter, because he was a real person, like Alice Cooper. 

I'm really not sure who decides the policy on 1st appearances, apparently it is the "Head Grader" at CGC. 

it should not be a controversial issue, it is a simple question. What is the first comic book appearance of Stan Lee? CGC say's the 1950 Black Rider, even if they are wrong, this is what they say. They will not note this on the label apparently because he was a "real person". The response I got after mentioning the Alice Cooper comic was "I'm Sorry".

CGC does not have any label on any comic that notes "1st appearance of Stan Lee". But he has been in and on hundreds of comics. Round and round it goes. If Alice Cooper (real person) is important enough to be noted with a first appearance, shouldn't Stan Lee? No matter what comic it is? 

5 minutes ago, Hey! said:

Correct.

3 minutes ago, Bird said:

I'd rather watch the immature content you are posting in this thread!

Where do insufficiently_thoughtful_persons like this come from? 

5 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Okay, you answered your own question. Apparently, you are arguing for the recognition of your book as the 1st app on the label when you obviously believe otherwise. Please go away. 

Could you be more of an insufficiently_thoughtful_person! CGC will say it is the Black Rider, even if I disagree, it is what CGC says . 

9 minutes ago, Bird said:

You guess wrong. I mean with cgc and label you guessed wrong, "who cares" what you think is correct.

Bird, you make no sense! Please learn how to communicate so what you write makes sense. If you do not care about finding out the truth about Stan Lee's 1st comic appearance then go back to something more suitable for your intelligence level, go back to watching Bevis and Butthead and don't concern yourself with CGC policies. 

1 minute ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Hey , look what I just found. Apparently you changed your mind, I wonder why ? 

 

CGC does not recognize Krazy Komics #12, 1943 as Stan Lee's 1st appearance, even though he does appear in this comic. 

Also, his appearance in Astonishing #4, 1951 is not recognized by CGC. 

I've been talking with CGC for a very long time about this, all they say is that Black Rider 1950 is Stan's 1st appearance. 

But they have not recognized any comic as being his 1st appearance, with notation on the label, which is unbelievable to me. 

The "Real people do not get 1st appearances" answer CGC gave me is untrue because of the Alice Cooper Marvel Premiere #50. 

Even though if you call and ask them what comic is Stan Lee's first appearance. they will tell you it is the 1950 Black Rider.

1 minute ago, Illustrious said:

The only "first appearance of Stan Lee" is in this book right here:

This is the first comic book that Stan Lee ever had his writing published, commonly known as his first comic book story. But he does not appear in or on the comic. Nice try. 

7 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Bootlicker ? That's the best you got ? You are obvious not getting any sympathy for your crusade here. Please leave. Also, in your next reply, please think of something better than 'bootlicker'.  

Do you even know what a bootlicker means? I doubt you do.

I am getting to the bottom of what is the 1st comic book appearance of Stan Lee? Why don't you call CGC and see what they say? 

4 minutes ago, Bird said:

no, it does not dishonor Stan Lee's memory. Your posts dishonor Stan Lee's memory more than the label on the Black Rider comics does.

Bird, think before you write and learn how to spell. It is completely ridiculous to say that I am dishonoring the man so off A hole. Your opinion is worthless. 

Does Stan Lee have a 1st appearance in a comic book is the question, in case you couldn't figure that out. 

I  guess you will say something like "who cares". You obviously don't know the importance of Stan Lee to the comic world. 

5 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

    I'm sorry but it is obvious why you are so concerned with all this. Maybe you should start a GoFundMe Page.

Maybe you should get a brain, the simple question is... does Stan Lee have a 1st appearance in comics? He has appeared in and on hundreds of them. 

The answer is yes! of course!

He is only the most important person in comic book history, but according to you, we shouldn't be concerned about this. Go back to sleep.