Navymr

If there is no published scale then how can strict quality be adheared to?  This puts it more of an opinioned lottery then quality

I emply it’s $$$ because of the recent increase in hiring just to turn a book quicker. Quicker turn time does not equal quality if the inspector is not proficient. And small runs absolutely mean better quality books. Coffin books are one of the of the few that frequently turn 10.0’s. One of my books was blatantly autographed across the cover and was returned as a universal grade so you tell me it was “inspected” by 2 graders. I call BS not to mention it was returned as a 9.0. And not to mention the 9.4 I submitted was a 20 year old dollar bin book with severe wear and dog eared rear cover. So again you tell me there is any quality control 

I think it’s more of a $$$ in their eyes. Supposedly they hired a bunch more people to speed up the grading process but the last 5 books I have turned In all received subpar grades 2 books were exclusive variants that were out of a run of 300 books and I’ve yet to see higher than a 9.4 these books never out of Mylar from manufacturer only handled by CGC 

On 20/07/2017 at 0:47 PM, TC33 said:

I have heard many stories of PGX books graded 9.4 etc being broken out and sent into CGC and actually coming back with a higher grade 9/6/9.8 etc.   HOWEVER, Lower/mid and mid upper books (especially older books/not modern etc) almost always come back significantly lower after breaking out and being sent to CGC, so that is where you need to be especially careful buying a pgx book.   Broken record, but no matter which of the 3 companies are grading the book, examine the books defects closely yourself and pay what YOU think the book deserves, not a figure based on a designated number at the top of a label that can be extremely subjective and change, even if the exact same book is sent over and over to the same grading company.  Remember, you are Buying the Book, not a label designation!   As for grading mistakes, it happens with all grading companies albeit far more often with PGX than CGC (you get what you pay for!).   Over the years, I have broken out several CGC books only to find out major defects were never disclosed on the label.  The entire spine being taped on the inside not even mentioned on a GL #2 GD+ 2.5 (just barely happened) that I thought looked pretty nice otherwise and was shocked to find out was not disclosed, blue label JIM 83 in Gd no label qualification that was missing a huge chunk on an interior page that even went into the story (this was many years ago), so no company is perfect by any means, but at least CGC is far more likely to get it right than PGX, especially resto detection etc.  I would still take a PGX scanned book over a raw book from an unknown seller on ebay any day, they did catch some trimming and other minor resto in a large lot of ebay books I purchased and was unaware of, so they are pretty decent for the price, just lack the level of quality control you get with the other two companies which are much better, but are not always perfect either.

I feel cgc is now on the fence of being completely inconsistent in their grading. 

Received my other 2 books back both with subpar grades that are completely inconsistent. I am done! Not only with my LCS but with CGC and their total inconsistency in graded. 

The quality of CGC has gone down so much in the last few months that I’m sorry to say once I get my books back that are out now one of which is a huge grading dispute I will never use them again. Which is unfortunate for me and them because I plan to document my 5 book submission experience and broadcast it to the world. Sorry buddy but your book isn’t a 9.6 I would call it an 8.5. I turned in 2 con exclusive books with low print runs distributed in Mylar and only removed to be signed. One came back a 9.0 other came back a 9.2 I also submitted a dollar bin 20 year old book with off white pages and a color break dog ear and it came back as a 9.4 not to mention all these books were damaged and shipment to cgc due to poor packaging by LCS. LCS tried to cover their and have CGC press the books. Too bad they only ordered a “quick press” which is a dry press and very noticeable That all 4 have the same corner damage. CGC will not take responsibility and neither will the LCS that claims the books are insured by CGC during shipping. Which is obviously false. So sorry but my 2000 books are going elsewhere to be graded and I will be shipping not a LCS. So word to the wise DO NOT put trust in a LCS to submit on your behalf even if they are SS witness authorized. Sorry didn’t mean to rant on your post but I was just trying to express my concern about inconsistent grading and the risks involved with using a subpar company that now cares more about the bottom dollar then it does the customer or the hobby. 

On 28/08/2017 at 3:50 PM, Patriot6 said:

Sucks man. Hope your LCS is awesome and goes the extra mile to make it right for you. Perhaps he had the shipment insured while in transit? 

Pretty sure if that was the case they would have been upfront about the situation to begin with. 

Just now, mschmidt said:

That sucks - hopefully you'll be able to work out some sort of reimbursement plan with your LCS.

chances are I’m screwed. I searched eBay to see what the going rate for a signed replacement to retry all over again and it’s not worth it. Same goes for the UK edition Star Wars #1

4 minutes ago, mschmidt said:

So CGC told you that the books showed up damaged?

Yup they noted they were damaged in transit. 

Just now, mschmidt said:

No, if there's an unverified signature anywhere on the book it will *always* be noted on the label. Doesn't matter whether the books up in a blue or green label slab.

Anyway, the graders notes for this book should clear up exactly what's causing it to be a 9.0 ...

There are no notes on either books I called cgc 

I wanted to say thank you for the information from everyone that contributed. Looks like I’m going to be taking my concerns on what to do next up with the LCS here is a picture of my other book. The before picture isn’t very clear but there wasn’t a “bend” in the upper left corner like there is now. I really thought it would have came back a 9.0 9.2 but due to the bend with color break it resulted in 8.0 I also contact cgc and they pulled the invoice notice and the shipment was damaged  hence the reason why the “free” press and it was probably “quick pressed” meaning no steam and that’s why it never flattened out completely. 

You can see in the pictures how tight and square all the corners are except the damaged one. 

So .8 downgrade on the signature even though it technically should have been a green label? Was this from the way the lcs filed the paperwork or from cgc error? I tried 20 different angles to catch the bend from a side view it’s more noticeable 

17 hours ago, Patriot6 said:

Right, "upon shipping to CGC." Evidently the LCS did a lousy packing job and your corner got bent along the way. How can CGC be responsible for that? 

Secondly, as noted above, a press would not fix the CBing folds on the corner you show above. I don't know if that book is printed like that or not, but I see CBing fold on the corner...

I would be more upset about the LCS's lousy pack job because the corner is not fixable, sending the slab back to get the right coloured label is...

I know it’s hard to see in the photos but that “color break” you see is not an actual color break it was printed that way and the bend in the same corner I’m referring to actually doesn’t have a crease either just a slight bend. I think I have came to the conclusion of what happens and that’s my LCS screwed my book up either A) poor packing or B) prior to packing. Reason I believe this is my other book I sent in also has a corner bend of the same size. Not to mention why would the LcS call cgc and add on pressing from ccs. Unless cgc possibly notified my Lcs that the shipment was damaged. Not to mention my lcs said there was some mixup and ccs shipped the books back ungraded. So somewhere along These lines my books got screwed up. Maybe upon return shipping from ccs or back to cgc for grading. 

I didn’t send it in to be pressed. As noted above the LCS that submitted the books does incentives sometimes and this batch of books they chose to have pressed at no cost. I would have preferred to have my book back in the quoted 3 week turn time. And there is no color breaks. 

Let’s say this happened upon shipping to cgc...then why wasn’t the pressing services rendered that were paid for? And my local authorized cgc distributor packaged and shipped my books in their routine weekly send off to cgc. 

Nobody? Positive or negative no one has an opinion? 

So this is how this went down.. first time putting my books in care of an authorized cgc dealer. The comic store does incentives from time to time and this batch was chosen to get a free pressing by ccs. I received my book today after nearly 4 months and received a 9.0 universal grade. Now here’s the info on the book. 

The book was an exclusive variant with the artists autograph on the front 1of 300. It was shipped to me in thick mylar. The book was absolutely pristine. No defects at all. Not even from the staples. No cover defects from machine cutting/folding etc etc. So hypothetically speaking if the book was damaged in shipping to cgc it should have been resolved with the pressing  right? I also want to add that it was shipped to cgc in the thick Mylar bag. So upon receipt of my book today with a 9.0 blue label that A) should have been green because it has a big silver signature and B) a 9.0!??? Upon inspection my book acquired a bend across the top corner. Like a dog ear. I looked at the cgc census 25 books with a 9.8 and my 9.0. Cgc claims to inspect the books twice but how was the signature missed 2x and the cover is a homage of 181 with intentional printed defects to appear worn. I have a feeling the “artificial” defects were graded as actual and the folded corner of the cover don’t even know what’s up there. 

I also want to note out of my 1000+ books this was my first experience ever getting books slabbed and I chose to go with the “best of the best”  ccs cgc

also want to note that my local rep is going to try and handle the situation the next business day but I figured I wanted to express my concerns on the official board

thanks

Interested in a price for all books through post #27.

thank you