RockMyAmadeus

Dutch auctions are much more controlled, with the seller nearly always choosing a specific time and specific place, where he or she knows there are buyers around, so he/she doesn't end up giving the item away...or, if they do, they don't have anything invested in it, like an estate auction.

As I said before, there are all sorts of reasons, unrelated to the item itself, why no one would offer $1,000. Not everyone looks at eBay 24 hours a day, for example. Just because you have 16 buyers at $1,000...pretty firmly establishing the market...doesn't mean that 17th, who would pay $1,000, too...is around. Or, the seller has bad feedback. Or, the listing is buried under mounds of keyword spamming, making it hard to find. Alternately, it could be a rare item that may not HAVE an established market value. Forcing sellers to sell for the highest offer, whatever it may be, would be the nail in the coffin.

That's a fair question. Here's my answer: An average of the last several sales, with the $600 ending being an outlier which drags down, but does not establish, the value of the item. If there are 15 sales at $900-$1100, and one sale at $600, then the average established by that would be roughly $975...not $600.

Then if it was one silly lowball offer, people must not want it as bad as you think. Not relevant. If I, for example, think a book is worth $10,000, but the market thinks, through multiple established sales, that the book is really worth $1,000, but my only offer....for whatever reason....is $500...forcing me to sell it for $500 isn't going to fly with anyone. I think we're now getting into technicalities of "worth". If it's worth $1,000, someone should have hit the BIN for $1,000 (or sent a similar Best Offer). You can't "hit the BIN for $1,000" if it's priced at $10,000. As someone should have sent a best offer for $1,000, that's not necessarily the case at all. As I mentioned above, "the market thinks, through multiple established sales, that the book is really worth $1,000" eBay created that clutter by moving away from, and actively discouraging, their auction model, and trying to become "Amazon-lite" with their "Buy It Now" model. No one is forcing a seller to use eBay, but no one should be forcing a seller to sell at a price he/she doesn't set, either, in a non-auction (and sometimes even in an auction) format. Forcing sellers to take a price they don't want, to clear up "clutter", is a good way to drive eBay completely out of business for good. So, maybe it's NOT such a bad idea after all....

Blimey! Egads! Zoot!

Then if it was one silly lowball offer, people must not want it as bad as you think. Not relevant. If I, for example, think a book is worth $10,000, but the market thinks, through multiple established sales, that the book is really worth $1,000, but my only offer....for whatever reason....is $500...forcing me to sell it for $500 isn't going to fly with anyone.

I know, right? What's up with that? Ask them to note "John Byrne and Terry Austin in pen on first page", forget it. Sheesh!

Quite the run you're having, today. What, like jogging...?

Well crafted. What, like beer...?

Vak, like Vaccuum...?

You keep away from my kerning! Poor thing, getting all crunched. That font doesn't sound like it looks.

You're saying that your words for the OP are "screwy"...?

Ooo! Do share with the class! I'm on tenterhooks!

That's a terrible idea. What if only one person made a silly lowball offer for the book?

Keen eye!

Yes, but they have no variants of themselves. X-O Manowar #0 = chromium; X-O Manowar #0 - Gold variant chromium

That 10 pack is priced at $5.49. Man, would I love to be able to pay $5.49 for one.

Just anonymously drop this book in their mail...

That's a person who has never built anything in their life. All the weedy details is what makes the world run correctly.

The UPC logo variants weren't...generally...marketed according to their status as first or second tier characters. For the most part, the 20 packs contained the same mix of books, none more (or less) common than the other. The exception would be the boxed versions, which wouldn't have contained as many. So, while sure, the regular versions of books would have been produced according to status...Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and the like...the UPC variants usually were not. If they produced, say, 10,000 of these books, they probably would have produced 10,000 of ALL of them, not 10,000 Batman, but only 1,000 Legionnaires. In other words...you're likely to find a much more even distribution among these much rarer (as a whole) versions. Detective Comics #0 UPC variant is likely to be "as common" as Legionnaires, etc. The UPC logo variants were specifically produced to reach a different audience than the average weekly comics buyer.

Not rare at all, relative to the others. It was included in the 20 packs of Zero Hour, and *may* have also been included in the Zero Hour boxed set.

Missed you at ACE last week. That Navy Pier is HUGE! Not as big as McCormick, but pretty big...hope it's warmed up in Chitown...46 degrees in the middle of October was a bit chilly!

Wait, you were serious...? I thought you were being funny. If you weren't, obviously the bags and cards and whatnot aren't actually part of the book. Yes, I get that it's part of the "package"...hence the point of this whole thread...but they're not part of the book itself, and CGC cannot slab a book in a polybag. Well, they *could*...but it would be an awful mess.

I am wondering about the natural toning that books get as they age. I am finding books that I bought brand new, off the rack, in 1991, 1992, 1993...and stored properly all these years...starting to exhibit toning from age. Not edge tanning...evenly distributed toning over the entire cover. A good example of this is Wonder Woman #72 (1993) Since we can't see the future, and don't know how paper from the 80s and 90s will react with age....I wonder how this will affect grading going forward. After all...while a book like Avengers #4 was bone white when it was released, I doubt there's a single copy out there that hasn't toned even just a bit with age.

Sailor should have rebutted with 'even though we dont pee on our hands, they still teach us to wash after handling our junk-' I agree. Gross.