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On 2/17/2020 at 8:20 AM, JonnySnyder said:

Some collectors would view that as impressive. CGC actually recognizes many pedigrees that can be labeled as such. You can review our recognized pedigrees at the link below.

https://www.cgccomics.com/resources/pedigree/

That's interesting.  Learned a few things.  Thanks

Do they matter?  I ask because I bought a Swamp Thing 1 and, packed with it, was the letter sized paper with the medallion. I wouldn't think there's anything about that that would impress a grader or buyer.  A book is in the condition it's in.  Just curious.  No big deal either way.   "The Hilltop Pedigree Original Owner Estate Collection"

1 minute ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

What...? You responded to my reply and I replied to that. Your confrontation is unnecessary - and surprise! - won't be welcomed by many (if any).

Are you asking questions without expecting answers, or what...?

Aggressive much?  You're right.  Conversation over.

4 hours ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

No.

A 9.8 comic is the most-common "top" grade. It's usually a tiny flaw or two, or lack of perfect alignment, that put a comic into this condition. They grade tons of comics per day and everyone is looking for 9.8s. They would have to hire more people and charge customers more if they decided to give notes for every grade.

What is the big deal?  I made my point.  Someone adamantly disagrees.  I drop it.  Life moves on.  It always does.  It's good that there's helpful info within these forums.  But there ain't a lot of love.

14 hours ago, Foley said:

How do you figure?

What does this mean? I'm not following.

What would it say? "Looks good"?

By the grade assigned on the label.

All you need is a set of eyes. If you agree the assigned grade reflects the actual condition, then buy it. Or don't. 

Wow...   Just.  Wow.  I will not repeat my points.  I don't need to.  And you seem very invested in this...  Shrugs shoulders and walks away.

On 1/2/2020 at 7:18 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

Grader notes on 9.8s are a huge waste of time.

Wouldn't they be a huge savings of time?  What if all books came in 9.8 from the start?  All.  Quickly note your review without the need for a novel.  How is a person's professional review documented then?  With zero notes?  Is that what the clients and future owners are asking for now?  Can I please buy a book from you for $1,200?  But I want one that doesn't have any Grader's notes at all!  Pleeeeeease. 

2 hours ago, Foley said:

How long ago were they submitted, and what were the grades? They don't do notes on all comics, especially the higher grades. 9.6s for example. I'm pretty sure that the notes go on the system as soon as the grades are posted, so if the notes are not available, I would imagine they weren't done for the books in question. 

There would be others here more knowledgable than me about this, so hopefully they'll chime in with better info. Calling them wouldn't hurt, but they may just tell you there are no notes.

Yeah.  Makes sense.  I got them back in lots, 1 and 2 months ago.  I saw the notes real time when they shipped but only half or fewer had notes.  I figured at the time that they just weren't attached yet.  imo all books that are graded should have notes.  Even 9.8s. 'Slight wear on lower spine.' etc doesn't take much time to document.  And why not document the work you've done?  Just addressing some books that I'm gonna resubmit that I should have had pressed.

Thanks.  I'm looking up books that I submitted.  On many, 'Notes are not available'.  Do I have to call in?

We have to pay $5 to see grader notes for our submissions.  Is that correct?

On 11/24/2019 at 3:36 PM, rjpb said:

Props to Janson for having a legible signature. As a lazy person myself, I understand the devolution of one's signature into a simple scribble, but it would annoy me to go to the trouble of getting an artist's sig, and to end up with something that looks like they were testing the pen to see if it worked. 

Agreed.  And he signed in black ink in a place on the cover where it easily stands out.  Maybe it's the difference between inkers, and pencillers and writers...  Ha!

3 hours ago, csaag said:

The service and fees page lists the prices and turnaround times for each tier, pressing & grading

Ah.  True dat.  Thanks

Same subject.  Different vein.  Do we know the approx. turn around time for Modern pressing and grading by CCS and CGC?  The comments are a little concerning in this thread.  My view is.  If there really is only one of the two to chose.  I'll take right over fast, every time.  Just tryin to get an idea of how long right is taking nowadays.

On a totally different vein.  Here's a pic of a cool book.

I don't understand why this slab/process ever even went into production out of the test environment.  I sure don't understand why CGC isn't addressing this.  This has been going on for so long now...  Just got my Marvel Spotlight 28 back today.  Guess what...  And it has plenty of friends.  Ugh

7 hours ago, The Lions Den said:

I just meant that if another grading company would like to step up to the plate, the potential opportunity does exist. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of work to become a viable force in the comic certification business. It's much easier said than done, and until someone comes along that has the ambition, experience and funding to compete, things will likely remain the way they are...

I started to count the number of ways to go about making money, and still having time for life, that would be easier than establishing a presence and building a comic certification business.  I kept losing count.  There are just so many...

8 hours ago, The Lions Den said:

I think it's safe to say a couple of things here:

1) You don't have to wonder whether CGC is busy or not. The word on the street is that they're "ultra-mega" busy (one of my favorite descriptive terms). And I'm sure the pressing explosion has contributed to the overall state of crazed affairs. So don't expect things to slow down for a while, OK? 

2) Regarding the barcode issue, it's not that the books aren't capable of being individually tracked through the process, it's just that no one has the time or inclination to scan every book as it passes through the various steps of the process. The different folks involved in each area are already extremely busy just trying to keep track of all the invoices that are submitted---asking for specific information on individual books within the invoices is virtually inconceivable. Not that the idea isn't a good one, but one thing I've discovered about CGC is that money talks and...well, I'm sure you know the rest. So if you want preferential treatment, you're going to have to pay for it, and even then you may not be satisfied...  

3) At least one of CGC's competitors may know how to grade, but from what I've seen, their customer service is virtually nonexistent. I'm sure this is one of the reasons why CGC is so busy; there simply is no legitimate competition. Now, perhaps someone else wants to have a dog in this fight. Good for them. I hope they understand what they're getting into, and I wish them the best of luck...  

My business days were way challenging (and are now past) but, no.  I'm outtie.  I could NEVER handle the organized chaos of the grading business. BUSY and ya gotta figure the margins are tight.  Nope.  Happy being a client.  My only role is to stay outta their hair and be patient when the times call for that.  Having my one order chased down because I'm pressed would just slow the whole process down.  Multiply that by maybe 100s of clients...and then everyone has a problem...  No.  I'm good with this part of the biz/hobby because, green as I am here, I do understand this part.  Due to all the work that's required and the incoming volume, 'stuff' takes time, yo. 

SAWEEEET!

Status: Finalized / Imaged / Shipped

Order #: CGCxxxxxxxxxxxx

Received: 9/4/19

Shipped: 9/30/19

Ok.

_{Ok.  I can understand that.  Then why have the art/book graded and encapsulated?  There are far better ways to display art.}

On 9/26/2019 at 11:34 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

It does not make sense to me.

And most people cannot tell the difference between a 9.8 and a 9.6. That's why you buy the book and not the label.

Ok...  Look at the FMV of any book and compare the value of a 9.8 as opposed to a 9.6.  You could start w/ Moon Knight #25 Vol 1.  To say that the graded quality of any collectable doesn't matter misses a material aspect of the hobby/business.

https://comics.gocollect.com/guide/view/143190

• Grade

  FM Value

  Last Sale

  Recent
• 9.8

  $500

  Sep 2019

  25 Sales
• 9.6

  $160

  Sep 2019

13 hours ago, The Lions Den said:

After seeing the front cover photo, I'd be thinking around the 9.0 - 9.2 range. But you never know...

And that there is the beauty of the sport.  You never really know...

While I have sent in stuff like 32 33 37 Werewolf and the Hulk with Wendigo, cameo Wolverine, yeah.  I'm talking about books that may well hit a 9.8 without the pressing.  I've had too many books come back 9.6 when I, the owner lol, saw them as 9.8s.  Not to mention even the slightest thing can happen to your book between the time it leaves your hands, and the time the grader first picks it up.  Just makes sense to me but.  Being green.  Want to hear what others do.  Thanks CR. As far as the older books go, that's my understanding too.  If the staples aren't solid, the pages are brittle, there's already a lot of shadowing etc, you can do more harm than good, in pressing. 

On 9/5/2019 at 11:30 PM, Matt Ramsey said:

That’s really helpful information! Thank you for this!  I’m a bit shocked that CBCS was dead. I’ve found their grading standards to be strong, but CGC has a lot of hype surrounding them. Not to say it isn’t earned but don’t believe their grading standards differ much from CBCS.  Now PGX,  that’s a different story

Agreed.  Won't buy or use PGX.

Except for the material additional amt of time it takes, doesn't it make sense to pretty much have every book submitted for grading, pressed?  In for a penny.  In for a pound, and the difference between a possible 9.8 and a 9.6 is huge...  Any offerings of wisdom will be appreciated.

Thanks to all for their insight.  Here are additional pics.  I believe that all the pink comes from inside the book.  But Pontoon's correct.  There some loss of color, most noticeably in the black on the cover.  I believer the book to be a relatively accurate representation of what it looked like on the shelf.  Too many production and production handling flaws I reckin.

16 minutes ago, Karl Liebl said:

Is the bleed through from inside back cover?  I think you get a pass on a lot of that.  However the book is not perfect regardless.  It doesn't have sharp corners and looks like a 9.2.  It is still a nice copy...

Looking closer.  That's exactly what it is. It's bleed through from the inside inks.  If the book gets a pass on a lot of that, I agree about the 9.2 or so at best.  Unfortunately, not worthy of having graded.  Thanks, Karl.