Snowlab Comics

Good day all.

I was curious if CGC provides a true 9.8 option somewhat like CBCS does? If so, where would that be located?

Many Thanks!

Just now, TT44ly said:

A Mylar2 and Fullback will protect your comic just as well as a slab will.

I'd love to see a test putting both under heavy stress tests. I doubt a mylar would do just as fine with liquids and other sharp objects. Anyway. Your response derails the post. I wish it was more helpful. 

2 minutes ago, TT44ly said:

No because there is no "hard grading" for SS. They're graded like any other comic (ignoring the sig of course).

 

Mylar2 and Fullbacks available at EGerber.com

That was a stupid reply. Any baby collecting comics knows you can put a comic in a mylar bag with backing as all comics get. My questions was meant for a more official level of preservation that doesn't have the pit falls of putting a comic in a bag and board...

2 hours ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

1. CGC-graded comics occupy a tiny percentage of products that comic collectors are interested in.
2. No, because the SS program has stringent standards. Signatures can be forged.
3. Non-witnessed signed comics are in no way "inferior" to CGC-witnessed products (at the macro level - each person may have individual perceptions of value regarding witnessed, 'authenticated', and other signatures).
4. How is what a "money grab"? Isn't technically anything that inflates financial value a "money grab"?
5. How is strictly following their own business practices "unethical"...?
6. This isn't correct.

I know you're the type of guy that reads halfway before he posts. So let me straighten something out.

5. It's not that strictly following their own business practices that is unethical. I believe there might be some unethical behavior by the artist website selling non graded. Its not CGC. And it was more of a question than an accusation. I recommend you try reading things first....or at least clarifying before you put words into someone else's mouth.

2 hours ago, theCapraAegagrus said:

1. CGC-graded comics occupy a tiny percentage of products that comic collectors are interested in.
2. No, because the SS program has stringent standards. Signatures can be forged.
3. Non-witnessed signed comics are in no way "inferior" to CGC-witnessed products (at the macro level - each person may have individual perceptions of value regarding witnessed, 'authenticated', and other signatures).
4. How is what a "money grab"? Isn't technically anything that inflates financial value a "money grab"?
5. How is strictly following their own business practices "unethical"...?
6. This isn't correct.

Thank you for your detailed response. Do you have a suggestion on what to do with:

1. Old signed comics from the 90's and older that you would like to have preserved and or graded?

2. How to preserve and grade comics that come from artist sites such as Jeehyung, J Scott and others that offer ungraded signed comics?

3. Do you feel that CGC's hard grading processes for signed comics raises the value of said comic?  

When you venture into something new, systems and processes might not make sense. Thats why it's important to rely on ethical experts within the field and always ask questions. No matter how nonsensical they might seem. Accepting status quo is dangerous in a world of loose capitalistic morals. And sadly. If that wasn't the world we live in. I would of never thought to ask.

I'm such a noob. This one must not be worth anything either. Just another old comic sitting in my childhood collection. Thank you trolls. Because of you I know my true value...   Or shall I say, I know the lack of your knowledge.

There were a few positive posts by upstanding members here. Thank you to those for your positive leadership on this forum. 

CGC is promoting a negative digital environment that protects passive aggressive trolls resulting in new collectors being turned off or pushed away. Which at the end of the day has an effect on the business. A dollar lost is a dollar lost....

My first comic was given to me when I was hospitalized as a kid. Comics have always had an amazing place in my heart. As an adult I'm finding out that comic collectors can either be Villains, Superheroes, or Antiheroes in their own respects. 

The origin of this post was to find more details about the 10 test prints that were manufactured prior to the mass release of foil comics. It had nothing to do with the actual foil embossed comics that were distributed for sale in the 90's. 

I take pride in my moral compass.

1 hour ago, TT44ly said:

There's so much wrong with this post that it'd take too long to go point by point. Suffice it to say you are way off on most everything here.

Thank you for your detailed response. Do you have a suggestion on what to do with:

1. Old signed comics from the 90's and older that you would like to have preserved and or graded?

2. How to preserve and grade comics that come from artist sites such as Jeehyung, J Scott and others that offer ungraded signed comics?

3. Do you feel that CGC's hard grading processes for signed comics raises the value of said comic?  

When you venture into something new, systems and processes might not make sense. Thats why it's important to rely on ethical experts within the field and always ask questions. No matter how nonsensical they might seem. Accepting status quo is dangerous in a world of loose capitalistic morals. And sadly. If that wasn't the world we live in. I would of never thought to ask.

Hello. I recently finished reading the thread on getting signed comics graded and had a question. With CGC's tough grading policy on signed comics. Why do artist sell signed versions without the CGC grading option? While sometimes this is about $100 cheaper than the graded option. Shouldn't there be an option for artist selling signed comics on their website to to have it verified for CGC to have it graded later on? It seems strange that artist will sell signed versions knowing that the top grading company wouldn't accurately represent what the collector had purchased. Rendering their purchase sub-par to its counterpart witnessed by CGC while coming from the same source? As its set up now. It resembles a money grab which deviates from the true spirit of comic collecting. Yes, there are bad apples out there who forge signatures. But a system set up that does not take in account authentic signatures from a artists website who also does business with CGC appears to have unthought elements that result in unethical business practices. I can buy a signed comic for $30 or graded one at $130. Only one of these are deemed valuable by industry standards. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Off the top of my head. It would appear that an itemized receipt with an official number corresponding to the artist website and signed item would be possible. Sort of like how CGC creates registry numbers. Sort of like an unforgeable CoA.

Food for thought.

33 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

That's a bit much, don't you think?

How so? My initial question specifically stated I was gathering information on the origins of a test print. His comments was a red herring. I admit posting the comic that the artwork was later used on next to the test print could be misleading. 

Hello all. I've recently started grading and it appears to me that unless the comic being submitted appears pristine it should be restored and pressed due the subtle negative attributes that could degrade a comic's rating that might not be apparent? So essentially having all comics restored and pressed just incase?

Do you agree or not? It appears you can easily get another grade in some cases. 

Is there any conspirator theorist that think this is what CGC wants you to do. 

Thanks!

3 minutes ago, zeezee said:

You really want to know how valuable they are?  Put them up for sale/ auction. 

Good call. I researched this briefly about 8 years ago and I saw one on Ebay for around 13K. I never followed up to see if it sold but last time I searched I wasn't able to find it. I'm actually doing research on the machines at this point thinking I might get a clue there. Thank you.

Hello. I'm looking to gather information on the machines that produced comics through out the ages. Locations, Model numbers, etc. The more information the better.

Many thanks in advance for your time.

Lee

Awesome thread. I just noticed I was sitting in a puddle of drool...

On 12/7/2019 at 2:13 PM, Dark Knight said:

These are my top 3 for the year

Love this one. Doc Oc has always represented classic comics from my perspective! Soo cool

26 minutes ago, Park said:

 

You obviously haven't read all of my threads. I've acknowledged things in your post in my previous comments. This is very technical. Prior to any foil comics being produced they had to do print tests to see if it was viable. The machine that produced the initial 10 test covers is the machine that printed "ALL" of the foil covers which then started with the silver surfer issue. Read carefully bro.

7 minutes ago, Park said:

 

Where is your evidence when he actually drew the art that was transposed for the foil rendering ?

2 minutes ago, IkewithMike said:

 

You Rock. Thank you for the share. I had my suspicions that there were other posts on this. Thanks Mike.

Glad to know I'm popular with the kids. Don't worry I've seen jealousy before. I've been playing MMORPGS since the days of DAOC and played on the PVP server as my main.... I've seen worse trash talkers. At least I am gaining your energy right now. #Energyvampire.

Hey All.

I have just started getting into grading my old comics and the first thing I noticed when I received my first comic was a temporary visual anomaly that resembles a traveling oil spot under the plastic depending on the angle and ambient lighting.

Is this due to the material of the plastic or through the process of encapsulating. Either way it's fascinating.

Thanks~

This all seems to prove my point. Most have no idea about the history Marvel foil prints. Yes, there were many comics that preceded the Avengers 363. But it's the graphic on the Avengers 363 that was used in the first batch of test prints for foil covers to see if this was a viable option. Only 10 were made. I would like to hear from someone that knows this same story and maybe have more information that I do. 

Thanks for the helpful information people.

Looking forward to hearing from someone who knows what I'm referring to. Rather than uneducated speculation. Yes Silver Surfer was the first actual foil cover. I'm talking about the batch of test prints that preceded all actual comics. So there is no actual comic inside. just incase people who don't know about "Test Prints" that Marvel was working on in preparation for the Foil Mania.

Thanks guys ~

1 hour ago, Jeffro. said:

Uncalled for and rude.

Why do people have to behave like this?

I agree.

Oh and since it’s such a rare topic in the Marvel world and only 10 exists I am guessing that probably 90+% knows absolutely nothing about these 10 prints 

Thanks for tips. I would not even know How to go about contacting Marvel. But I’m sure there will be at least one Marvel guru on here to help. Thanks. 

22 minutes ago, Krismusic said:

the only thing I can help you with is that the regular foil version that is the blue one is worth like 30$ graded 9.8. 

As for your I'll call it virgin variant as it doesn't have the issue# and price on it or the blue colour not sure the value of it but the condition looks to be a bit rough so grading it from CGC it could be a bit lower grade as it looks like there's a fingerprint stain and some bends on the spine and on the bottom corner. 

Not helpful.... 

By the way Krismusic. I have the capability of researching prices of CGC'd items. I believe this one is over your head.