Lyle Freeland

On 8/27/2021 at 9:21 AM, Deha88 said:

Still waiting… while others economy orders after mine have shipped back. 

My bulk shipment was 02/10/2021 and they have not shipped mine out yet. I think they will ship it out pretty soon though because it has been in Grading/Quality Control for a while now. 

Just now, ShiningCollectibles said:

I have been a collector since 1999 many people find their cards irreplaceable for many reasons. I collect misprints also. 

I just wonder why people don't see the long term benefit of grading companies being slammed and just concentrate on the bad. It means that the company is doing very well and many people are selecting them because they are reputable, that's a good thing long term for everyone who gets cards graded at the company they choose. 

On 4/16/2021 at 6:37 PM, ShiningCollectibles said:

I mean people are giving their thoughts about the turnaround. People are allowed to complain. The business should take it as feedback. I mean you would be complaining too if your expensive cards were sitting there since December. 

I am a misprint collector and most of my cards not only cost a lot but are irreplaceable. None of you have anything to complain about lol. 

It would help everyone if there was less whining in the post to wade through. If you don't like turnaround times then don't submit cards. I keep coming back to get an idea of when I will see updates but have to sift through people complaining about the turnaround times. The complaining comments are spam and should be deleted. 

Just had a walkthrough order received 04/08/2021 and back in the mail on its way to me 04/14/2021 so as of this post the WK subs are still consistent. Just in case anyone has not noticed yet, the bulk orders have changed from 111 day TaT to 144 days. It looks like CGC is going to get flooded due to PSA closing its doors. I view this as great news because it shows a huge demand for this company and its a clear indicator that they will likely rise to become one of the big 3 for TCG grading. Don't be surprised to see the turnaround time be increased again another 30-60 days in the coming months guys!

17 hours ago, C1one said:

Assuming a question for support.  They have responded to me each time pretty swiftly.  I'm a first time grader and sent 3 concerns so far. Lol

They don't open them just based on the day, they open for packages received for that entire week. 

Just now, Christopher M said:

 

yeah wait, what the heck. I have an economy received 12/8 still on received. how is bulk from 12/7 being processed 1+ week before economy?

I've been trying to be patient and not be irrational like some folks on this sub, but this is really frustrating. 

I see the longer wait times as a positive. The high demand for CGC grading will most definitely make them increase their prices again and all the submissions you already have in will gain a little equity. They put quality before speed of service and that's a good call on their part. My sub was received on 02/10, I have another 97 card sub that I mailed in last week, and I have another sub that will probably go out in a few weeks. 

2 hours ago, SayNoToNFCs said:

Yes - an ebay search of "Miscut Pokemon" or "Square cut pokemon" will show plenty of sellers selling NFC cards as misprints.

This member causes constant issues in the Facebook group this card was posted in. Nobody really takes him seriously. I approached him about his secret account he made to bash me  here and he threatened to report me to Facebook for harassment if I ever contacted him again. He likes to stir up drama and then play the victim. He even reported one of my comments on here and got me a warning which is another clear indicator that it is him. Kind of sad really that he has nothing better to do with his time. 

6 minutes ago, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

I do understand both sides. 

Ginsu makes a knife.  If someone uses it to commit a crime you can not hold them liable.  

All I was stating is that just because you make these with wholesome intentions , do not think that there are those who will use these with nefarious intentions.   This is why some of the grading companies will not touch them. 

I understand. I know that people could potentially scam others. There are serious repercussions for doing this though. If anyone was caught trying to pass off an NFC card as factory they would probably be banned from most of the misprint groups on Facebook. Its not something I condone and I have always made that clear to customers if they ask me about things related to the topic. Customers who want their sheet cut into singles. 

1 minute ago, Buzzetta said:

Interesting. 

So here is the thing.  Obviously CGC's opening of card grading has attracted people the site.  However, given that CGC is taking a middle ground stance, how does that impact their overall perception and reputation in card grading across the hobby?   I ask because sometimes that holder is worth a lot more coming from one company over another.

I personally love CGC and I plan to have all my misprints that I hold near and dear to me graded by them. Trading cards in CGC holders are not worth as much now but I think that down the line they will be. CGC has certainly got attention in the misprints community because they cater to us a lot more than BGS and PSA. The problem with NFCs and misprints is there are grey areas.

For example. I have a card that is a test print for MTG but also came from a sheet that has an alignment error. An alignment error is when the front of the card is miscut and the back is centered or vice versa. This alignment error is basically an iron clad characteristic of a card that is factory cut and this fact is well known. My particular card happened to be NFC cut from what's called a make-ready sheet. Its a sheet that they use to test printing. So we get into a grey area. The card is technically misprinted but its also an NFC card. This is just one example but you get the idea. 

1 minute ago, Jeffro. said:

Not really because to us comic guys, it's a little too close for comfort to trimming. Also, cutting cards from sheets in the sports card hobby is a bad thing too, or at least they were back when I was into sports cards. Cards are cards. The idea that it's okay to cut cards from sheets in MtG but not okay for Pokemon is an odd concept for me. I guess it's a good thing I have no plans to collect pokemon cards

Magic is a game that you have a heavier player base rather than people who just collect. Pokémon has a much larger collector base and less people actually play the game. Pokémon also has a younger crowd so the average age is lower than magic. I am still not completely sure why the magic community is so accepting of NFCs but the Pokémon community is not but the above reasons are my best guess.

3 minutes ago, Buzzetta said:

Because I would have thought that the grading companies have universal standards for a card that they grade regardless of genre.  If you are holding a Jeter SP Foil in a 9 of ten, it should have the same or similar characteristics as far as surface, centering and everything else (except corners) if the same company is grading a Pokemon card.

Its strange. like BGS will grade any NFC card and they could care less. PSA wont grade them though because of the trimming/alterations. CGC has obviously made their stance known on the issue and has sort of a middle ground. 

2 minutes ago, Buzzetta said:

How prevalent are forgeries though and at what tier of card?  

Typically wotc only gives out foil sheets of more modern era sets so when you look for NFCs the cards being foil is a big giveaway. There are also non foils sheets that are known from older eras. Magic is all over the place and most of it is just knowledge based on what sheets exist in the wild and which ones do not. 

6 minutes ago, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

The problem with this statement is what politicians would call plausible deniability.  

First you state that "Nobody really tries to pass them off.." well just because your intentions may be genuine do not mean other are the same. Once these cards are out there .. well you get the idea. 

Next you say , " it is widely known " that is a blanket statement.  It may be known to you , but I am sure if you started asking that information is not a widespread as you think. 

Ultimately the issue is if you are producing these NFC cards, whether you intend to scam or not , you still created these and some of that blame does fall on you. 

Yes I have heard these arguments many times over. Its honestly a conversation that goes in circles. What I do is not illegal and there are more than a few other players who enjoy the cards just as much as I do. Its one of those things where we will have to just agree to disagree. I could sit here and argue it all day but in the end you probably wont be that interested in my point of view on it. 

5 minutes ago, Buzzetta said:

How come they are not treated as sports cards though?  Why the grading standard change / shift?

I was under the impression that cards cut from a factory sheet were treated as the equivalent of 'restored'.

I am kind of lost on what you are asking. I feel like we are reading two separate sheets of music. I don't deal with any sports cards or comics. I collect misprints for Magic the Gathering and Pokémon. I am primarily a player so I like unique cards for my decks and collection. I can understand how trimming and restoring cards/comics to get a better grade is bad but in my mind its a weird thing to compare it to NFC cards. 

Just now, Call The Cops said:

Because you're doing the same thing.

Not really. Cards that are clearly labeled NFC are not sold with the intent to scam anyone. I am not really interested in arguing with people about it though. Some people like it and some don't. 

4 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

So what is the problem? Are there really shysters trying to scam people?

 

I'm sure at some point in time someone has tried to scam with them. I don't think it happens nearly as often as people think though. Its just like any other collectible. Once there is more money involved you will have people trying to create forgeries. 

1 minute ago, Call The Cops said:

If this is a deal breaker for you you're going to have a bad time here.

I think I will be just fine. I just thought it was funny that someone had nothing better to do with their day than make a special account to bash me with. I know who the individual is. 

1 minute ago, Hollywood1892 said:

So what is the problem?

No problem. 

2 minutes ago, Buzzetta said:

Luckily you are on the internet.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=dupcak+comics

Ohhhh I am not a forger lol. The card I initially posted is not even mine. A member in a Facebook group I am in posted it. I am not really sure what forging/trimming comics to get a better grade has to do with this topic. 

Just now, Hollywood1892 said:

Trimming corners and edges of comic books in an attempt to make them appear in better condition, it is restoration 

Ohhh that makes sense. Making NFCs is not like trimming. You are not restoring anything to get a higher grade. The card companies give uncut sheets out as prizes or they find their way into the wild. In particular card games like magic the gathering the NFC cards appeal to players because its a unique version that is harder to come by. Nobody really tries to pass them off as factory cut cards because it is widely known what sheets are publicly available and what sheets are not. 

10 minutes ago, Buzzetta said:

The other day, it was brought up that the introduction of the card forum would bring forth Bizarro counterparts of the comics guys.

Looks like the card forum found its Dupcak. 

I don't understand. 

2 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

Is this like trimming?

I am not familiar with anything related to comic book grading. What is trimming? 

6 minutes ago, seanfingh said:

I'm taking this claim with a grain of salt.

Oh you should have seen how bad it was on Facebook. I made a small auction post about 2-3 months ago with like 8 NFC cards for sale and got mobbed with over 1k comments within a few hours. The member above (SayNoToNFCs) created a fake account just to bad mouth me on CGC forms and thinks he is so clever even though his word choices are a dead giveaway of who he is. As a misprint collector I actually have a strong preference to factory cut cards but I have always enjoyed NFCs as part of the hobby. I can handle people disagreeing but the lengths that some have gone to cause me issues is crazy. 

9 minutes ago, Jeffro. said:

Coming from a comic book background there is a lot of stigma shenanagins around alterations made to the product.  I am curious if the slabbing companies will grade NFC MtG cards as altered/restored? (not sure how the companies grade altered cards)

 

BGS will grade anything even NFCS, PSA wont touch anything that is NFC, altered, trimmed, ect...