Chris1096

On 6/26/2021 at 6:16 AM, Dqberry said:

Why would you ever send a psa 10 to SGC? 

I explained earlier in a post but basically the 100 grade was still in play there and was valued slightly higher at the time so i went for it.

On 6/14/2021 at 6:38 PM, jsrva said:

This order partially shipped today.

It was a 57 card submission, but they are only sending 46 cards back now, as apparently 11 require a thick card holder (which is baffling since I submitted zero thick cards). 

Excited to at least get SOMETHING back at this point.

I am worried about this with my bulk order of 67 cards which just moved to 'scheduled for grading' and for info purposes was marked as received in their system on 5/11/21.  I have seen people post about needing thick holders on what appears to be a normal card. I would like to see some clarification on this from csg. 

Oh man that is brutal. With the significant difference on surface compared to the quality of the overall card I am hoping at some point CSG will elaborate on how they grade the surface. I would really like to know wat they see. I am now preparing to see lower than expected grades from my 66 card bulk submission due to this. If anyone from CSG reads this please at some point give us your grading criteria for surface grades.

On 5/17/2021 at 8:34 AM, RKgant said:

For a possibly more unbiased account of the difference in PSA cards vs SGC cards, I would direct you towards this https://www.sportscardinvestor.com/2020/05/14/sgc-vs-psa-a-study-weighing-your-options-as-a-collector/

The analysis here shows a big difference in realized prices. PSA>SCG by a long shot.

What I cannot determine is "why?". When looking at the pop report on both PSA and SCG, consistently PSA grades a higher % of the cards a 10, with consistently fewer in the 5-7 range (I can share the data if you like). So the question is "Do people that on average have better cards send them to PSA, or is PSA more lenient on giving a 10?" If it is the latter, why aren't people buying SCG 9 and 9.5 at a discount, then resubmitting them to PSA to try for a 10? There is something happening in the market that I do not understand.

I agree that more often than not PSA cards do sell for more. My problem is their allowing small imperfections to be a 10. As a personal collecter I will no longer take that chance. I really hope CSG can trancend this. Really I am surprised PSA is still trusted and thought BGS would gain far more ground than they have. While more and more people are starting to understand grading as an overall art it is still very much in its infancy. Over time I honestly have no idea what will happen, i dont pretend too, i am just betting on CSG.

As mainly a personal collector I am not nearly as concerned with ROI as I am with a fair and ACCURATE grade with a company that has integrity to stay that way. CSG seems to be very fair although I will admit I am worried they take their surface grades too far. Their history with grading other materials is very well respected and to me that is worth far more than ROI. When the dust settles after the circus people will realize what companies do their due diligance and my bet is on CSG. I have many SGC cards I will have flipped into CSG not because I believe SGC to be bad but because I really think in the long run CSG will be at the top.

On 5/13/2021 at 1:57 PM, RKgant said:

So wait a minute... you are telling us that you had a PSA 10 and then you sent it into SGC for a re-grade? This does not seem to make sense.

Listen, no offense.  All I know is what the market prices are. SGC 10 is worth around PSA 7. If there is an arbitrage there, then more power to you if you buy SGC cards at a discount and then re-grade them at PSA, subsequently flipping them for more value. 

It was 6 years ago and I had all SGC slabs so i was trying to keep my collection in the same slabs. I figured I would send it in and at the time they had the 100 grade and a 98 was considered a ten. I figured the least I would get is a 98 and maybe land a Pristine 100. It came back a 96 or PSA 9. This was not the only instance. It just depends on what your looking for if you're a resale and flipper PSA has the best price but if your looking for actual integrity and a legitimate grade on your card PSA is easily THE WORST. They are not being investigated by the FBI because they are an upstanding grading company.  I will say if you want to know the actual grade of your card use BGS, SGC, and what looks like CGS if you want to sell/flip that 9.5 as a 10 use PSA. If you want to see my documented research on them most of their 10's are 9.5's and 9's anywhere else. 

2 hours ago, RKgant said:

One more thing about tough grading standards, since this has been cropping up on other forums... we should be hoping that CSG has high standards. For example: 

if PSA gives a card a 10, SGC (not CGS) will give it a 10.

if PSA gives a card a 9, SGC will give it a 10.

if PSA gives a card an 8, SGC will give it a 10.

So the community will value any SGC 10 as a PSA 8.

I don't think we want that with CSG.

SGC is far better and more consistant than PSA and I would say the exact opposite as I have seen it personally crossing PSA 10's that came back from SGC as a 9. PSA has been caught cheating and is even being investigated by the FBI. The fact it still carries the highest price baffles me. I have bought one PSA 10 in my life and it wasnt even centered well. I will never touch them again personally.  Your comment is entirely ignorant and biased. 

Just a heads up on timetables. My bulk submission of 64 cards was delivered on March 23rd and was entered into the system as "received" today May 11th.

I hate seeing this. My bulk order was delivered on March 23rd and has not even been entered as received yet. 

PWCC and PSA are the most unethical companies in this entire buisness.

So what CSG is telling us is there is two different grading processes. I wonder how they grade a sub grade versus a non subgrade?

Really? I had no idea you could not get a 10 perfect without buying sub grades. This seems like a loophole for selling and buying and on top of that a cash grab. First thing I have heard about CSG that I am very disappointed in.

On 4/28/2021 at 4:37 PM, David in CA said:

I'm pretty baffled by the millions of dollars for artificially scarce colors and variations of things that have been printed in the past few years. Is the "silver" variation of something really that cool when there are dozens of other nearly identical cards? Sheesh. 

You're exactly right. Just because something has a different color and print run doesn't mean that it doesn't just add to the total of the exact same card. Color variations are another scam to create an artificial scarcity. History proved this during art print collecting. They would print numbered versions in different sizes 4×6, 8x10, etc. which are now just looked at as a combined total. I try and collect low total print runs. 2019 and 2020 Bowman Heritage are good examples. Overall low print run will stand up better. I say this but as long as people care about the same card in a different color nothing will change.

On 4/23/2021 at 5:41 AM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

Couldn't agree more. The other aspect the flippers and resellers don't understand is when this bubble inevitably pops (hopefully sooner than later), and they just move along to destroy the next big thing, it will be collectors like you and I picking up the pieces of our hobby from off the floor. Those of us who have collected for 25+ years already know how this movie ends. Topps and Panini have already set their printers to Federal Reserve mode so Junk Wax Era 2.0 is coming soon. People will also realize NFTs are stupid and worthless and it all comes crumbling down again.

Definitely with you on the NFT market though card companies are praying it takes off. I laughed pretty hard at "Federal Reserve mode" the comparison is scary similar.

On 4/21/2021 at 1:40 PM, KBost33 said:

Why can't you enjoy hobby now without hoping for everyone to lose money on their collections now? Who looks forward to seeing a market crash so everyone can lose money, and they can buy cards cheap? What is a real collector, people who have a limited budget that want the big cards, but can't? I certainly don't have big money, but I don't want to see the market crash at all. I hope it goes up and up, and people who want to make money do. Confused by your post. 

My main quam is with the people turning a hobby into a stock market or investment portfolio. Its a hobby and I enjoy spending a few hundred every couple months. Personally I find real collectors to be people with a personal collection. You would be surprised at people without a PC and hold card board like precious metals. Prices IMO are personally out of control and i would love to see them come down. I miss buying a super jumbo box of Bowman Draft for $350 now I dont even bother at $1000. Its not all the Market though with the monopolies that have been handed out by the leagues. Topps MLB, Panini NBA, etc. but thats a whole other issue.

18 minutes ago, Andy Gardecki said:

I hate to even say this considering how much I hate PSA right now, but CSG should have just raised the prices now... immediately.  Giving people a week's notice is only going to cause another onslaught of submissions (especially bulk and economy) so things will slow down even more.

Agree and I will be one of them. With people treating cardboard as an investment again everything is out of control until the next crash which personally I am looking forward too. As a personal collector i hate the investor groups. When people realize they are still over printing by companies making 20 different sets instead of printing a ton of one set the investor group will bail again and the real collectors can enjoy their hobby once more.

23 minutes ago, KBost33 said:

Yes. .and I am seeing several that had bulks orders after that date being returned. Why? They put 1 card in Express, so their whole order of bulk got ahead of those in line for bulk. I am gonna start putting 1 card in at Express, so you can mark EX on box, and it gets instantly opened, and all cards go into to grading stage. I know for a fact, I have seen online, people who have shipped cards, that were received at CSG on April 1st etc, that are being done. At PSA, they would take just the Express out, grade that, but rest of your bulk/regular order still stayed in line Here is my tracker, showing it was signed for on March 24th. 

 

I will be putting one card Walkthrough from now on. Ill pay extra for one card to have mine graded faster. I have a 64 card bulk submission that shows delivered on 3/22 and has not been received.

Received is not really received is the best way I can describe it. I have a bulk order of 64 cards that were delivered on March 22nd but have not been entered as received yet.

I kind of wish they had a delivered notification that would show they have the package even if they don't get to it for weeks.

Yes

Id sure like one of the two CSG or CGC to start accepting non-sport Marvel, DC, Star Wars, etc. Market is big but I dont see them accepting any new types of cards in the near future. Im sure catchup is what all grading companies are putting all their efforts towards currently.

15 hours ago, tmoore_25 said:

How long doe it take PSA to enter your cards into the system? I have an order that PCSportsCards shipped to PSA on October 20th. Yes, almost 6 months ago. The system still says shipped. I'm being told they have it but they just refuse to update their system. Another Bulk order at PSA was shipped to them on October 17th and not entered as "Received" by them until November 18th. One full month. 

Why are you willing to give PSA a pass for not entering your cards in the system for a month, but then turn around and complain about CSG having your cards in house for the same amount of time? Nowhere on their website do they say that cards will be entered into the system on the day they arrive at the facility. They have acted fairly quickly, and I would probably say faster, than other TPG's at updating their turnaround times. They're not hiding. They are putting the information out there. Your cards may not get touched and updated daily but they have a lot of orders and are working as quickly as accuracy will allow them while trying to hire and train new employees. That takes time and will not solve the problem overnight. 

Last I heard they were backed up 9 to 12 months. That was from my local card shop so I am not sure how reliable the info is. I dont give PSA a pass on anything they have duped and cheated the market through auction houses on multiple occasions. 

Mine arrived March 23rd so I guess im looking at Christmas. I was prepared for it to happen but was hoping they might be ahead of the game. PSA shutting off receiving puts significant pressure on all others. Ill be surprised if these are the last updates. Its the nature of the beast in the current market. To bad only four legit grading companies exist because we need double that.

6 minutes ago, Bryguywa said:

I believe CSG is the real deal. I would love to have all my slabs CSG and SGC. you can’t beat SGC in customer service and turnaround time. They also grade well and I love the look of the slab. The jump to $25 stung tho. I still use them for decent PC Cards and I look for SGC slabs when buying secondary market cards. Always a discount. 

I have been using SGC for 10 years and have always been happy with them. You saying SGC is a discount is exactly why I am jumping ship. I am counting on CSG to take over the number 1 spot eventually if accountability and integrity have any place in grading cards. 

So they received my 64 cards on March 24th. I guess Ill just try and forget about it. I sent a submission to SGC and received it back in only 15 days this month. They are completely caught up but I am not willing to pay $25 a card to grade with their current market sales. I cant believe people are still paying top price for PSA with their investigations and scandals. I personally will never touch a PSA card. The integrity of CSG seems very promising with their track record on Coins, Comics, and game cards. I am looking forward to using them exclusively. I am just hoping they can get their return times down around 30 to 40 days for bulk submissions.