Robert Beerbohm

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How would Gator know? He hadn't even held a Timely until six months ago.......

10 months ago, thank you! and my question was serious...since I am collecting "Timely's", I want the distinction of knowing "when" the Marvel wording came into prominent use...as I have decided not to collect Atlas "Marvels", etc...

Rick, personally i think they should all be called simply Marvel Comics from Oct 1939 onwards. I always have, i always will.

The Timely desig was only used for a very short period circa 1942, then never again. And it was only used to desig just some of the Marvel titles during World War Two

The Marvel desig like on the Little Lana and Tiny Tessie was equally used for a short period circa 1948-49

The Atlas logo was to desig the distribution company Goodman started up

He still used some 80 corporate cover shields to publish his goods

That all said, why is New Fun #1 considered the first "DC" comic book? Harry Donenfield did not incorporate "Detective Comics" until Dec 1936 with the first title of this then-new corporation being Detective Comics #1 dated March 1937. Yet all the comic books in that umbrella, including the Gaines co-owned AA titles are still considered "DC" by today's standards

I say we move the designation bar for a "Marvel" to include everything Martin Goodman published from Oct 1939 onwards

Ronaldo, it is good to be back on the boards for a while again - thanks for the warm welcome back on a previous thread - i got sidetracked again for a while

Jack, I personally think all this Timely and Atlas moniker stuff is silly - they are all Marvel comics. Just like DC is counted from New Fun #1 up to current

that all said, i do not consider Gerber's SRI numbers worth a damn - never have, never will. Ernie tried hard, but no see-gar in my book on accuracy

All i know is i did not know this existed until i saw it. I am sure a few others have a copy, and here is the other kid Marvel Timely Atlas i found which i also had never seen before, nor did i know it existed up until yesterday.

It is fun to gorge-fest on the World War Two covers, All Select #1 will always be my favorite - and back in 1970 i bought from BilJo White his NM white paper collection run of All Select 1-11 BP 12-22 for the princely sum of ten bucks the first issue, a fiver each for the other 21.

But still, tracking down the truly obscure and rare is half the fun - and this Little Lana as well as the previously posted Tiny Tessie fit that bill for me

Timely was used for less than a year

I personally think Howard Rogofsky coined the term inside fandom

just like it was Howard who pegged Astonish 27 as the "first" ant man in his early catalogs even though there are something like 4 or 5 other tiny man in ant hill stories from around that time

so, what do people think? just how rare is this Marvel funny book?

Excuse me, all. I think this is my first time on this thread, but i have come across a new Marvel Timely from 1949 which is new to me. Not boasting, but that is some mean feat these days, as i had to push back into the 1840s to see comic books i had never seen before.

Just how RARE does every one here think this Tiny Tessie 24 is? I think it to be quite scarce at least, considering it is a title i had never seen before and i have been dealing for a little over 40 years now. This is the first one i remember ever seeing, and that goes back decades.

This was the only issue, title change from Tessie 1-23, Overstreet says #25 on were called Real Experiences. So many of those earlier issues with Wolverton's Powerhouse Pepper are so cool, yet so is this.

I got it with a batch of Marvel little kid comics out of a store in Iowa yesterday - titles included Little Lenny, Little Aspirin, Frankie Fuddle and another one i had never seen before Little Lana 9, which ran two issues - if it is OK to post this genre of Marvel here, i will be scanning this LL 9 shortly and could post here - i find some of these variety Goodman books to be fun on what i call the thrill of the hunt. Every time i begin to think i have seen it all from the 40s on up, out pops another stray to get nailed down

The Hanks story from Witty is anoither lumberjack story like the Big Re McLane tales from the first few issues of Fight. In fact, he even swipes from himself! there will be examples from the upcoming interview in The Comics Journal (where Haks and the interview will be featured on the cover of the Best of 2007 issue! That's a scoop, for anyone who gives a hoot.)

 

I am fairly certain that the 1945 story was drawn later based on my knowledge of Hanks rendering style.

 

Does anyone have any suggestion where I should turn to ask this question (other message boards? other experts?) ?

Just for the record, here is the front and back covers to Witty Comics #1. Without thinking about it much at the time i was grading this puppy, i thought the lumberjack story to be pretty good,

Here is the Cosmic Airplane copy of Amazing Man #16

done had most all the non-bedsheet size Weird Tales before in multiples over the decades, but never have i seen this New Story with The Return of Tarzan

all i have is the AC McLurg first -

 

The Return of Tarzan

yo zoom

is there anything you don't have?

every time i come to this wonderous thread, you never cease to amaze me with cool stuff i taint never seen a'fore - bob

i would much rather have a MF 54 for the visuals than MF 52 and/or 53 - have always liked the cover better - and got my first copy of MF 54 from Howard Rogofsky for something like $20 back circa 1968

- my second More Fun was a fantastic Doctor Fate cover on 61.

I had ordered a #63 from HR, but he substituted a 61 instead. At first i was angry, but i later thanked him because that Fate cover on 61 is sooooo beautiful in bright cover white paper high grade - the colors shimmer in the light, well, they did back in 1968 when i was 16

To toss in my 2¢ into the previous debate, Batman Superman Capt Amerca Spiderman - years from now, those are the characters with longevity staying power, mehthinks

hence, Batman 1 could prove better for % growth per dollar invested - wider popularity

the trip is called supply - and demand

i think there was authorization - it simply did not sell, hence, no more issues beyond #1

Tailspin Tommy on the other hand had a #2

i remember there being adverts inside for each other - plus there was a Dan Dunn Secret Op 48 pulp as well - and this is inter-connected in some way, as i used to have taht one as well

Donenfeld figures into this on some level - and my (not handy) notes reflect the concept,

Don Winslow of the Navy (April 1937)

 

Flash Gordon Strange Adventure Magazine (December 1936)

 

Tailspin Tommy Adventure Magazine (October 1936)

 

 

 

 

Cool! I've been waiting to see your Flash Gordon pulp! That one is definately on my want list. Interesting thing about that issue is that the publisher apparently did not have authorization from King Features to use theeir characters - it's basically a bootleg.

I think the publisher was Donenfeld - and i forget right now why that is in my brain

I recently sold my HG Tailspin Tommy pulp - and the FG and TT are by the same publisher, if i am remembering correctly

While not Wonder Woman comics. How about a rare letter that DC Comics Associate Editor Alice Marble sent out with advance copies of Wonder Woman #1 discussing the comic. This was distributed to prominent women in America.

 

 

 

 

This is way cool, Tom. Thanks for posting it - i guess it is good the IRS lady never responded so we now have this example of ways being thought of to bring more women into reading comic books

i thought there should be brochures at the rest area between Baltimore and DC on 95 - tourists pick up the propaganda - i used to do this in Calif rest stops along interstates when i had my comic book stores - stop at the visitor centers and get a pile pf them placed in each as i saw them

advertising is a lot of work - which pays off

This fellow Andy Mangels is working on a book about HG Peters - any one have any info for him, please contact him. Also, if you are interested in the project, contact him. I think this to be a worthwhile project and one i wish to read when completed - www.BLBcomics.com

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Robert -

Hope this finds you well. We met again at SDCC and talked about hG Peter.

I'm writing Bullets & Bracelets: The Wonder Woman Companion for TwoMorrows (July 2008). For that, I'm trying to find older fans - especially fanzine publishers/historians - who may have any interesting ephemera in their collections from WW. Photos of creators, old cover stats, promotional materials, sketches, press releases, etc.

I'm also looking for people who might be willing to LOAN me some of their older fanzines to research from and/or scan, mostly TBG (I started reading it in late 1980s) and TCR (I have a lot of TCR's, but from 120 down, fewer). I find these incredibly useful for getting ship dates, the odd quote or two, info about licensing, and etc.

Might you have anything helpful? Or know anyone who does? I've emailed Alan Light and am waiting to hear. Already working with Maggie Thompson, Roy Thomas, and Jim Amash.

I'm also having a HORRIBLE time getting in touch with anyone who knows much about or has any info for H.G. Peter. DC doesn't know of any heirs. WMMarston's kids barely remember HG. 99% of his contemporaries are gone or remember nothing. Birth records were destroyed. No death records can be found. Any thoughts? Know any collectors who specialize in HGP (and/or Eastern Color books, for which HGP did a lot of work)?

Also, you had said you were the source of the "nude WW" art through Ed April. Does he have any materials from HG Peter left?

Finally, do you have any contact info for Don Rosa or Michelle Nolan?

Look forward to hearing from you!

Best,

Andy Mangels

www.andymangels.com

www.wonderwomanmuseum.com

Member, International Association of Media Tie-In Writers

and my reply to him:

am very busy right now, i have some thoughts onbelow i will address in a bit

however Don Rosa buys old comic books from me and is at donrosa@iglou.com

nolan is not wired - good luck -

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Richard Howell owns the WW nude i got from Mrs April back in 1973. I paid $200 for it after pricing out all Ed's stuff for her at retail so no one could rip her off any more - damn, that gets me pissed when some one tries to take advantage of widows and orphans.

she is long passed on, i used to be sweet on the oldest daughter, i would surely like to talk with her myself as it has been over 30 years now since communication with her - they were a neat family - Shel Ford might know where the two daughters got off to - i will ask Jean Bails, widow of Jerry Bails,

and i'll be back wit you shortly

robert

uh oh - BZ be buying

get out the score card

1939 - reprints the first Tarzan dailies from 1929.

 

Right -- it's considered by most to be the first Tarzan comic book. The 1929 dailies by Foster are actually an adaptation of the first novel, Tarzan of the Apes with narrative text below the illustrated panels. If you've never seen B&W Foster, it has a very different look to it than his work that was intended to be colored and is very cool. This same material was reprinted earlier in hardback in 1929 as The Illustrated Tarzan Book No. 1. Single Series 20, which came out in 1940, reprinted Foster Sundays and was the first regular-size color Tarzan comic book.

 

The three contenders for "1st Tarzan Comic Book" (Depending on your definition of "comic book"):

 

 

Taking a breather from setting up my comics mail order business again following yet another very successful San Diego comicon. Am not doing Wizard World shows any more, and it feels strangely good as eBay store & web sales are steady - lot less over head also -

It is sad when some people decide to put on horse blinders keeping them looking at one single format - its OK, there is Beerbohm's Exclusive Comics Guaranty Twelve Step Program designed to wean one from being a Conservative Collector, one of exclusion

The Big Tent Collector is more open minded - take the G&D Tarzan book from 1929, which went thru multiple printings, was a facsimile of the original words & pictures story telling as seen in the newspapers. People consider these the first newspaper comic strips for Tarzan, so, here they are layered into that red & green hard cover book with printed on art on the cover, wrap around format, um, no staples, stiched together with glue added in

- does a comic book have to have staples, one asks?

So, Tarzan FB 5 which reprints the 1929 comicbook is also a comic book. Why would any one be foolish enough to question this simple fact?

And Single Series 20 is, again, newspaper comic strip reprints - all three are

to acept one in means to accept them all under the umbrella

which leads us directly to Obadiah Oldbuck, and what it is, the first American printed comic book - and still a long way newer from the "first" comic strips. - even in America.

now headed over to that new thread Jeff set up to see what transpires there

 

...which is what makes the San Diego Comicon so wonderful as it is a gathering of the tribes as it were

...what is your most prized circus item right now?

 

Bob, thanks for the compliments.

 

I haven't been to a comic convention in over 20 years. I'm sure I'll make it to one again some day, but who knows when.

 

My most prized circus item?

 

That would be difficult to say. I have a great deal of 19th century and early 20th century material which I treasure. Among my top picks would be the 1857 diary of a performer, correspondence between show owners from the 1830's, the account ledgers of different showmen, a multitude of early advertising heralds and couriers, etc. It's all very colorful to me.

 

Here's a few pieces of original art for 1930's Ringling Brothers posters.

All three are the original art? wow

I only have some scattered circus pieces i have picked up from around here, some dating to 1910s, nothing earlier though - i add to those collections as i come across it and can afford it, with those days getting fwer & fewer inbetween - most of the good stuff on the ground was scooped up long ago/

but seriously consider SD comicon for next year as a family vacation - you would all enjoy

- letters between show owners from 1830s must be fun to go thru -

 

My main collection is my Foster PV series, which i think i am 90% complete on now

 

Once upon a time I purchased a complete collection of Prince Valiants from a family that lived in a log cabin not far from me.

 

Their asking price was only $50 so naturally I didn't hesitate in making the purchase.

 

Unfortunately, they had bound them by punching holes in every page so that they could be placed in binders.

 

Still, it was quite the bargain even for those days.

 

I ended up selling them to a woman who lived in the state of Washington.

 

I wonder if she still has them?

 

I wish I had kept those from the 1930's and early 40's. They were beautiful.

 

You guys bought and sold a lot of stuff back in the day - heck, i sent money in yo you as you also had great bargains in my opine on many classic comics treasures, a couple times money came my way for a few things on want list, there might even had been a trade worked out, i bring this up for a reason:

my only main point with the above is to point out that all the "old" timers in this hobby i know take in the full grasp of the worlderful world of comics: comic magazines & books, BLBs, pulps, movie material, art, OZ, ERB, Howard being just three of the pantheon of Ghods we worship

and i still remain dumbfounded that so many limit their enjoyment of the riches of the popular culture collecting world be it FF style, or so many other formats and venues with newspaper comics just being a small segment of that world, just as surely are the Famous Funnies format comic books most of the persons here limit themselves to

shame, really

- but i also understand the concept of "budget", so, maybe moot point

but still

- whether in original format form (my preference also), the next best is the reprint version, which, to me, is OK, as the point is to read, learn and absorb the images and the stories, some incredibly brilliant, some beautiful but boring, others,

well, i am glad in America we stll get to choose what brand of comics to enjoy

My motto is "anything good" which leaves out some, embraces most comics as most of them are entertaining - and it is easy to chop out the lower quality stuff

that reduces down to what do you like, personal preferences, and all that

which is what makes the San Diego Comicon so wonderful as it is a gathering of the tribes as it were - absorbing the energy of that single comicon each year will renew your faith in the vibrancy of this hobby - BZ, you & missus should come out to San Diego next year

- stick yer toe into the well, find the water is good, the time has come, you could do a panel on how you were able to pick up so much stuff early on, but, more importantly, you could maybe relate how you were fortunate enough to be able to maintain the various collections, an imposing structure worthy of a museum all for itself if i ever have seen any collection, except maybe Bruce Hamilton in his prime, Russ Cochran in his prime time, oh, of course, for one of each like you have, it approaches Leonard Brown and Malcolm WIllits when Collector's Bookstore on Hollywood Blvd (former BofA with walk in time vault) was peaking right before their monthly auctions began to wow us for some years.

Heck, get a booth, cash in part of the "investment portfolio" - ok, i am getting ahead of myself here and probably spoke sacrilege for which i apologize

- change subject

what is your most prized circus item right now?

I went to the Ringling Museum in Sarasota whilst CGCing when they had time for me, hectic as it appeared at their HQ - the place is mind-boggling to me, all the various aspects of it, i always knew it was their winter HQ, but this, that house, the displays of stuff, that miniature circus extravaganza in that first building to your right just inside the main entrance.

anyway, the logical-nus of collecting beautiful Sunday pages of key strips, or, rather, those who do not i do not understand

it has always been about art & story - everything else will wither away eventually if it does not keep that in mind

this year's G-4 TV feed Thursday night of the San Diego Comicon was two hours long - i am told it featured all of 1.5 minutes of comic book anything as far as the comic books go

one guy from Britain was hawking a Capt America #1 for $120K - that was it !@@#$%$%##

everything else was movie toy etc

nada else on wot brung em to the party

i think we need to advocate for more coverage to be noticed more -

the concept of the expanding dollar value of comics & related material is "dead, Jim"

Just Like Capt Kirk

I co-pioneered the concept of sky-rocketing comiv book prices back when we discovered the Tom Reilly stash -

i mean, we were 20/21 years old - kids, and we got world wide AP/UPI coverage when Burl Rowe bought the Reilly Detective 27 for $2200

our business exploded from that - within a month we had three more Tec 27 Batman issues

a word i used to say all the time back then was "yowza" every time we got yet another huge collection from some original old timer original owner collector who found it was his time to pass on some of his stuff into proper homes to saffe guard them for future generations

that is what i find the San Diego Comicon to be, for me, by & large

at least it was for the first 35 years of its existence. It surely has been changing up the last three years.

speaking as one who has been selling there since #1 every show since 1970 - and just did #38, another hgih energy drain and gain - all at once, more mind boggling to handle than any court room situation, if you ask me, because there are times you need to be able to make 20-30 conversations go on at the same time, if you want to make the bucks as the salmon flow down the river bank you are standing in, otherwise known as your booth

heck, circus stuff would sell there also

there are guys doing "old paper" genuine original old stuff out of warehouses, remnants thereof, so there is pottential for all kinds of popular culture to be gobbled up by the 150,000 people there

but that was disturbing a trend potential for me which i led up to here so as many comic book collectors as possible within my sphere will read this

my question is to every one reading this is:

How can we get a larger collective piece of the coverage of comicon?

The G-4 TV feed before the con - the one with 2006 footage featured my booth banner and comic boxes for a few seconds, and it is quite colorful, i think

In that prequel a couple weeks back, my booth was spotlighted right after Stan Lee was saying how the comic business had begun modest and grown up

boy was i jazzed - I have known the power of TV to generate business for my firms since i began going on TV interviews about comics more than 35 years ago.

was waiting for the G-4 TV people to come around and really give them a great interview if they were interested - and from the preview they showed, it looked like comicbooks were going to get their fare share.

LA Times interviewed me several times on various aspects of the hobby

no G-4 this year - no comic book talk both Thursday or Friday, i was told by those you watched back east and taped it - i got home, began watching, and it was ALL about the comics movies as one big advert for the movie studios plus companies like Mattell who showed up this year - the Disney booth display would knock yer socks off

some people say the old comics portion is being ghetto-ized, it all begins with consciousness-awareness raising known as "face time" on TV - and into the internet feeds

and we get that by approaching the San Diego Comicon people with a small group as a united front with a common list devleoped of ideas to improve things for all parties involved

See if they can interest reporters in the art (and story) aspect of the back issue magazines we all sell, CGC'd or not, that is how we are perceived by a lot of people outside the hobby

Maybe an Antique Roadshow concept re old comic books etc could be broadcast from San Diego next year - close up of Wood, Cole, Eisner, Barks, Kelly covers (ah!), McCay, Herriman, Ditko Kirby Wrightson -

who here has connections to potentially help promote the wornderful world of comics knwoing who to talk to to try to set something like this up

you want the hobby to grow & expand, media coverage is the only answer to bring in new recruits - and many answer the call once exposed to the cool stuff

I am all for reprints of the classic stuff that meets Sturgeon's Law to pass onto to future consciousness in the generations yet to be - that is why my Italian comic book friends at Lucca then Napoli immediately reprinted one of my copies of Obadiah Oldbuck and called it America's First Comic Book.

The media does not want to hear about the big dollars any more like they used to - some of us were doing same-o same-o 35 years ago, and i learned from Leonard Brown and Malcolm WIllits, many of us did back then.

Learned a lot from Phil Seuling - and everyone learned from Jerry Bails.

Can i get a witness?

Well, I read them (which is easier lately with a new Golden Age of Strip Reprints in full bloom) but I don't collect the originals.

i do not collect them if the paper is not at least just cream - many of my pages i pick up are off white to white paper, then they do not flake apart when one pages thru them

i don't collect every Sunday under the sun, nor do i go after the dailies, as that would be too crazy to try to fill in

My main collection is my Foster PV series, which i think i am 90% complete on now

heck, i have many many favorites with Polly & Her Pals by Sterrett circa 1928-1935 being in the Top Five - of course Herriman's Krazy Kat is in that same running

McCay's work in Nemo, Little Sammy Sneeze, Rarebit, Hungry Henrietta, and others are way cool to absorb

McManus BUF Sunday pages are beautiful to read, as are many of the 1920s-30s Gasoline Alley Sundays by Frank King

Thimble Theatre by Segar is also in my Top Five - pre Popeye as well as the Popeyes up until he passed on in 1938

there are sooooo many more, time is fleeting right now

Yo BZ - i collect comic strips outside of the format which people love to CGC these days, have for decades

- i have maybe a dozen feet of vintage Sunday pages re-built following the ware house flood back in 86 - back into the 1800s

sure, he paid me to plant several last time i was inside the archives of ZoomHQ - and i must say i impressed with Scroge's cover detecting abilities - rather Houdini like if you ask me

it's Ok, it's all part of National Security - Bush says it is OK, on TV tonight, i caught that part of one of his ultimatums to the country - we need more spying

Thanks, Bronty and Mr S.

 

I received 100 Mylites2 protective sleeves and 100 full-back backing boards as one of my gifts today.

 

I plan on taking them out for a test drive later.

 

I hope my head doesn't explode.

Happy B-Day BZ - those BLBs sure look cool, though i like my BLB pics to show fronts and spines, pretty please.

M-2 don't affect the head - wait till you graduate to MyLite 4 a sthey are the ultimate best

yep, out of all the comic books in GEM the only two i had never seen before, Dolly 11 was only one of two books i had never seen before they have on display - and there is a lot of rare stuff in that main comic book room

i highly recommend every one must make a trip to this Comics Mecca