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Sports Card Community - Restoration: Does Comic Book Industry Have it Right?

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MrBedrock

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The real issue that would be helpful to discuss is why restoration is viewed differently in various hobbies, and to learn from the lessons experienced by other hobbies in dealing with the issues.

Just about any kind of resto is acceptable to movie poster collectors.

Absolutely no resto is acceptable to baseball card collectors.

 

Does that help?

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capt_comics

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The real issue that would be helpful to discuss is why restoration is viewed differently in various hobbies, and to learn from the lessons experienced by other hobbies in dealing with the issues.

Just about any kind of resto is acceptable to movie poster collectors.

Absolutely no resto is acceptable to baseball card collectors.

 

Does that help?

 

hm

 

 

sounds right to me (thumbs u

 

 

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BRB-migration

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Dude..why do you speak in a third person...do you represent CAL?

 

He has Asperger's Syndrome:

 

"Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction and restricted, stereotyped patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other ASDs by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, physical clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported.

 

The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

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Dude..why do you speak in a third person...do you represent CAL?

 

He has Asperger's Syndrome:

 

"Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction and restricted, stereotyped patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other ASDs by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, physical clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported.

 

The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

 

Stu, you back again?

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kidcolt

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I am a long time sports card collector (30 years) and I say NO to restoration on cards. I love buying vintage cards and I think wear and tear are part of the history of a card. Cards are not that much different then comics, condition and rarity drives value and favorite teams players and 1st app drives collectors. I for one will not buy any card that has been altered with the intent of selling it for more money. I would rather own a card with a rough edge then have someone trim it and change the size with an attempt to improve it. I also avoid buying vintage cards that are laser cut from full sheets.

 

 

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Dude..why do you speak in a third person...do you represent CAL?

 

He has Asperger's Syndrome:

 

"Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction and restricted, stereotyped patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other ASDs by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, physical clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported.

 

The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

 

Stu, you back again?

 

Do you have an awesome bong collection?

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Dude..why do you speak in a third person...do you represent CAL?

 

He has Asperger's Syndrome:

 

"Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction and restricted, stereotyped patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other ASDs by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, physical clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported.

 

The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

 

Stu, you back again?

 

Do you have an awesome bong collection?

Post... :popcorn:

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Calamerica

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Dude..why do you speak in a third person...do you represent CAL?

 

He has Asperger's Syndrome:

 

"Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction and restricted, stereotyped patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other ASDs by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, physical clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported.

 

The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

 

Stu, you back again?

 

Do you have an awesome bong collection?

Post... :popcorn:

 

:troll:

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Flaming_Telepath

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Dude..why do you speak in a third person...do you represent CAL?

 

He has Asperger's Syndrome:

 

"Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction and restricted, stereotyped patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other ASDs by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development. Although not mentioned in standard diagnostic criteria, physical clumsiness and atypical use of language are frequently reported.

 

The mainstay of management is behavioral therapy, focusing on specific deficits to address poor communication skills, obsessive or repetitive routines, and physical clumsiness."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

 

Stu, you back again?

 

Which presupposes he ever went away. :whistle:

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esquirecomics

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The real issue that would be helpful to discuss is why restoration is viewed differently in various hobbies, and to learn from the lessons experienced by other hobbies in dealing with the issues.

Just about any kind of resto is acceptable to movie poster collectors.

Absolutely no resto is acceptable to baseball card collectors.

 

Does that help?

 

Educational information is always helpful. (thumbs u

 

In fact, this distinction is actually quite intriguing.

 

Comics - paper, multiple copies, restoration mostly stigmatized

 

Movie posters - paper, multiple copies, restoration acceptable

 

Baseball cards - paper (cardboard), multiple copies, restoration unacceptable

 

:popcorn:

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esquirecomics

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This link was sent to me today b/c I happen to be quoted.

 

Restoration: Does Comic Book Industry Have it Right?

 

It is an interesting, but brief, attempt at creating a discussion within the sports card community as to how that community should look upon restoration. The question is raised whether we, in the comic book community, have it right, i.e., our views, when it comes to restoration.

 

As many of you may know, the card community has been besieged in recent years with allegations of scandal and fraud involving restoration.

 

It really is a shame that every thread that attempts to raise an issue or awareness concerning restoration in general has to devolve into a debate into the pros and cons of pressing, or the degree to which it can be detected. The more important debate would be on whether the technique is actually restorative, particularly b/c neither the pros nor the cons, nor the question of detection, has anything to do with the restorative debate, but I digress.

 

There are so many important facets involving restoration, including the unfair stigma it currently has in our hobby, that could be addressed. Instead, some "younger" forumites, who luckily for them didn't go through the debates we had 2-3 years ago, make a comment about pressing and the usual people come out of the woodwork to comment as if it the word "pressing" is programmed into their search engine.

 

The real issue that would be helpful to discuss is why restoration is viewed differently in various hobbies, and to learn from the lessons experienced by other hobbies in dealing with the issues. I, for one, find it very interesting that restorative techniques applied to paper collectibles generally are not viewed in as negative a fashion as it is with comics, although this is most likely because comics exists in multiple numbers while the letter I have from Robert Todd Lincoln is one of a kind. I'd also love to see deeper discussion of conservation vs restoration. I think rusty staples should be permitted to be removed and replaced with vintage staples. I don't believe that should be a form of restoration that would cause a book to be devalued though I believe the act needs to be disclosed.

 

Anyway, I'm disappointed in myself for even writing this much in the General Section. rantrant

 

Although it did give me the opportunity to see this cool new icon: I like it. :slapfight:

 

I think I'll follow Borock around and use it! :baiting:

 

I like the fact that you are now saying what I have been saying for years! You are finally getting it! (thumbs u (worship)

 

BTW.....only came on when I was sent a link to the thread with my name being attached to a very negative post.

 

Oh, and Mark, you can :slapfight: me anytime you want, heck some people would pay for that! :blush:

 

I hit the "tired of the repetitive pressing debates" a year or so ago. It would be something different perhaps if there was something new to discuss. But it is definitely frustrating that most restoration debates become emotionally charged about pressing and pressing only. So, yes, I'm with you on that one! :hi:

 

I will never look down on you for trying to defend yourself, even when the allegations against you are accurate. (:

 

And I really do like these new icons - :slapfight: :slapfight: :slapfight::slapfight::slapfight::slapfight::slapfight::slapfight::slapfight::slapfight::slapfight: :slapfight:

 

I really need Flee to add your photo on one side of the :slapfight:lol

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Dale Roberts

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The real issue that would be helpful to discuss is why restoration is viewed differently in various hobbies, and to learn from the lessons experienced by other hobbies in dealing with the issues.

Just about any kind of resto is acceptable to movie poster collectors.

Absolutely no resto is acceptable to baseball card collectors.

 

Does that help?

 

Educational information is always helpful. (thumbs u

 

In fact, this distinction is actually quite intriguing.

 

Comics - paper, multiple copies, restoration mostly stigmatized

 

Movie posters - paper, multiple copies, restoration acceptable

 

Baseball cards - paper (cardboard), multiple copies, restoration unacceptable

 

:popcorn:

 

Aren't many original paintings also restored and isn't restoration encouraged in many cases? For example, I have heard that many(most?) Picasso's are restored. I am not sure, just repeating what I have heard.

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Mr.Diggler

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The real issue that would be helpful to discuss is why restoration is viewed differently in various hobbies, and to learn from the lessons experienced by other hobbies in dealing with the issues.

Just about any kind of resto is acceptable to movie poster collectors.

Absolutely no resto is acceptable to baseball card collectors.

 

Does that help?

 

Educational information is always helpful. (thumbs u

 

In fact, this distinction is actually quite intriguing.

 

Comics - paper, multiple copies, restoration mostly stigmatized

 

Movie posters - paper, multiple copies, restoration acceptable

 

Baseball cards - paper (cardboard), multiple copies, restoration unacceptable

 

:popcorn:

 

Aren't many original paintings also restored and isn't restoration encouraged in many cases? For example, I have heard that many(most?) Picasso's are restored. I am not sure, just repeating what I have heard.

Are they preserved or restored?

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Flaming_Telepath

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The real issue that would be helpful to discuss is why restoration is viewed differently in various hobbies, and to learn from the lessons experienced by other hobbies in dealing with the issues.

Just about any kind of resto is acceptable to movie poster collectors.

Absolutely no resto is acceptable to baseball card collectors.

 

Does that help?

 

Educational information is always helpful. (thumbs u

 

In fact, this distinction is actually quite intriguing.

 

Comics - paper, multiple copies, restoration mostly stigmatized

 

Movie posters - paper, multiple copies, restoration acceptable

 

Baseball cards - paper (cardboard), multiple copies, restoration unacceptable

 

:popcorn:

 

Aren't many original paintings also restored and isn't restoration encouraged in many cases? For example, I have heard that many(most?) Picasso's are restored. I am not sure, just repeating what I have heard.

 

A lot of fine art is indeed restored. (thumbs u

 

However, unless we wish to lose a piece of history forever, it's 100% necessary.

 

With comics and cards, the circulation numbers suggest that we don't need to.

 

Not yet, anyway. (thumbs u

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esquirecomics

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The real issue that would be helpful to discuss is why restoration is viewed differently in various hobbies, and to learn from the lessons experienced by other hobbies in dealing with the issues.

Just about any kind of resto is acceptable to movie poster collectors.

Absolutely no resto is acceptable to baseball card collectors.

 

Does that help?

 

Educational information is always helpful. (thumbs u

 

In fact, this distinction is actually quite intriguing.

 

Comics - paper, multiple copies, restoration mostly stigmatized

 

Movie posters - paper, multiple copies, restoration acceptable

 

Baseball cards - paper (cardboard), multiple copies, restoration unacceptable

 

:popcorn:

 

Aren't many original paintings also restored and isn't restoration encouraged in many cases? For example, I have heard that many(most?) Picasso's are restored. I am not sure, just repeating what I have heard.

 

A lot of fine art is indeed restored. (thumbs u

 

However, unless we wish to lose a piece of history forever, it's 100% necessary.

 

With comics and cards, the circulation numbers suggest that we don't need to.

 

Not yet, anyway. (thumbs u

 

Totally true.

 

That's why the three hobbies above are so interesting given the similarities of composition and circulation (generally speaking of course), yet widely different with respect to how restoration is viewed.

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Just about any kind of resto is acceptable to movie poster collectors.Absolutely no resto is acceptable to baseball card collectors.

 

Does that help?

 

Educational information is always helpful. (thumbs u

 

In fact, this distinction is actually quite intriguing.

 

Comics - paper, multiple copies, restoration mostly stigmatized

 

Movie posters - paper, multiple copies, restoration acceptable

 

Baseball cards - paper (cardboard), multiple copies, restoration unacceptable

 

:popcorn:

You know, that Poster thing might be a myth, some repeated "nobody cares" mantra by some (not all) sellers and/or service providers of altered posters.

 

Link (emphasis theirs)

"If you are a die hard movie poster investor/collector, you may want to think twice about having an EX C8 or better condition poster backed. There is a belief among some investor/collectors that EX C8 or better unrestored posters will command a premium over restored/linen backed posters."

 

And..

 

"There are two types of buyers of vintage movie posters: collectors and non collectors. A non collector buys just one or a few posters for a home theater, a gift, or whatever. At least 50% of our sales are to non collectors. We have found that non collectors generally prefer linen backed posters. Most true "Collectors" of vintage movie posters would prefer an unrestored non linen backed poster over a restored linen backed one. Most of these collectors still collect linen backed posters however because many titles are so rare and few have survived in great condition."

 

 

 

 

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