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[RockMyAmadeus]

Personally, I wish they'd bring back more of the sparkly variants of the 90's.

 

Those were pretty cool and shiny, at least.

 

If I had done acid, the cover to Wildcats #2 would probably have blown my mind.

 

[aelelarkin]

I'm such a wet blanket.

 

But wet blankets put out fires.

 

 

Not if they're soaked in gasoline.

[valiantman]

Collectors who are putting thousands of dollars into brand new variants hoping that one of them will someday be worth a thousand dollars are going to lose. Period.

You can't spend $2,000 hoping that something you bought will be worth $1,000 when the rest are worthless.

 

There are too many collectors who get really excited by "limited" and just hand over their money.

 

ANYTHING can be "limited". Many things are "super-limited" right now. What ELSE makes the item desirable?

 

If the answer is "there's a super-hot female drawn on the cover" ---- well, yeah... so what? There are tons of those. There will be tons more printed next month... and the month after.

 

If the answer is "it's also the limited edition of the first appearance of a character with a rumor about something" ---- well, yeah... so what?

Should anyone pay $20+ each for the possibility maybe someday a brand new character might be more important than the other new characters introduced before or after?

Go ahead and buy all the rookie cards in sports, too, because one in a thousand will make it to the hall of fame.

 

When it comes to variants, "limited" just isn't enough... what ELSE?

 

People should keep their money until they can answer the "else". (thumbs u

 

You're right, how I choose to spend my money is totally your business. From now on, I'm running all my spending past you.

 

Why are your thoughts on hydro? I mean, ya, lights and heat are great, but it's not an IH181.... I dunno man... Advice?

I have no idea what Hydro is.

If it's the guy from the 1940s, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the guy from 1981's ASM #212, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the guy from Mortal Kombat, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the villain from Power Rangers, that's not a new limited variant.

 

If it's a scantily-clad female on a super-limited variant printed in 2015... yeah, I'm probably against you buying that.

If you're selling... well... sell, sell, sell... because that's a worthless comic in the making.

 

So, what you SHOULD do and what you ACTUALLY do can be two different things.

 

People SHOULD be smart. Many aren't. You're in good company. (thumbs u

 

I can't argue with people like you. You see things one way and that's the only way. Yes people buy to resell, but a lot of people buy because they like it. If you make some cash, cool. If you don't, you knew it was a risk when you bought. In the end, they're comic books, and it's a hobby. If it's your business, completely different set of rules. But for most people on here, you SHOULD buy what makes you happy.

 

Telling people they aren't smart because they don't agree with your point of view is pretty closed minded, inconsiderate and narcissistic.

 

 

I guess that depends on what forms that point of view, really.

 

If one's point of view is based on nothing but feelings and emotions, and is devoid of empirical evidence of any kind...like, say, "Deadpool is the coolest character ever created, and if you don't agree, you're stupid!"...I would agree, that is pretty closed-minded, inconsiderate, and narcissistic.

 

However...if one's point of view is based on empirical evidence, data, experience, and other such pieces of tangible information, and not on feeling and emotions, then it becomes an informed opinion, and not closed-minded, inconsiderate, or narcissistic at all.

 

After all...if someone was to run around and think the moon was made of gouda cheese, insist it was so, despite all evidence to the contrary, and MY point of view is that it's composed of rock, minerals, and other material similar to the Earth's composition, would I be closed-minded, inconsiderate, and narcissistic if I dismissed that cheese guy as "not smart"...?

 

If someone says that people aren't smart because they are doing dumb things, like buying multiple brand new variants in the hopes that they will make money on it, are they being closed-minded? That's not smart. The market is littered, stuffed to the gills, with variants that are worth less than they cost when brand new. For every 1 variant that "hits", 200 have not. There's more than enough empirical evidence to demonstrate that such behavior is "not smart"...it's an informed point of view, based on evidence that cannot be easily dismissed.

 

So, your charge is probably without merit.

BUT I DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAID SO THEY'RE POOPY HEADS!

 

To be fair, you did say he wasn't smart.

 

And it's certainly not the first time you've been accused of being single-minded...

 

 

I said he wasn't smart if he thought I wasn't making a good case.

 

What was my case?

 

I said that buying "limited" variants JUST BECAUSE they're "limited" isn't smart.

 

I said that there should be something ELSE in there when you put that money down.

 

If the something ELSE is something worthless, like "random scantily clad female" or "random first appearance of no one", that's probably not a good spend of money.

 

If, however, the something ELSE is... "I REALLY WANT THIS" then by all means, get it. Get 100 if you want 100.

 

But, since NONE of us can afford every quantity of every comic ever produced, we make our decisions based on something... or nothing.

 

I'm advocating that people make decisions based on a solid footing.

Have a reason. Have that reason be more than "it's limited".

 

But... if your heart loves the heck out of limited scantily-clad female first appearances of new characters printed this year... go for it, buddy. I'm sure she'll love you back in your dreams no matter what her comic is worth.

 

(thumbs u

 

If someone says 2 + 2 is 6 and instead I say that 2 + 2 is 4 based upon solid reasons...

it doesn't mean the other guy is right or that I'm wrong for saying it's not smart to say 6.

 

It also doesn't mean we should meet in the middle and just say 2 + 2 is 5.

[RockMyAmadeus]

Collectors who are putting thousands of dollars into brand new variants hoping that one of them will someday be worth a thousand dollars are going to lose. Period.

You can't spend $2,000 hoping that something you bought will be worth $1,000 when the rest are worthless.

 

There are too many collectors who get really excited by "limited" and just hand over their money.

 

ANYTHING can be "limited". Many things are "super-limited" right now. What ELSE makes the item desirable?

 

If the answer is "there's a super-hot female drawn on the cover" ---- well, yeah... so what? There are tons of those. There will be tons more printed next month... and the month after.

 

If the answer is "it's also the limited edition of the first appearance of a character with a rumor about something" ---- well, yeah... so what?

Should anyone pay $20+ each for the possibility maybe someday a brand new character might be more important than the other new characters introduced before or after?

Go ahead and buy all the rookie cards in sports, too, because one in a thousand will make it to the hall of fame.

 

When it comes to variants, "limited" just isn't enough... what ELSE?

 

People should keep their money until they can answer the "else". (thumbs u

 

You're right, how I choose to spend my money is totally your business. From now on, I'm running all my spending past you.

 

Why are your thoughts on hydro? I mean, ya, lights and heat are great, but it's not an IH181.... I dunno man... Advice?

I have no idea what Hydro is.

If it's the guy from the 1940s, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the guy from 1981's ASM #212, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the guy from Mortal Kombat, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the villain from Power Rangers, that's not a new limited variant.

 

If it's a scantily-clad female on a super-limited variant printed in 2015... yeah, I'm probably against you buying that.

If you're selling... well... sell, sell, sell... because that's a worthless comic in the making.

 

So, what you SHOULD do and what you ACTUALLY do can be two different things.

 

People SHOULD be smart. Many aren't. You're in good company. (thumbs u

 

I can't argue with people like you. You see things one way and that's the only way. Yes people buy to resell, but a lot of people buy because they like it. If you make some cash, cool. If you don't, you knew it was a risk when you bought. In the end, they're comic books, and it's a hobby. If it's your business, completely different set of rules. But for most people on here, you SHOULD buy what makes you happy.

 

Telling people they aren't smart because they don't agree with your point of view is pretty closed minded, inconsiderate and narcissistic.

 

 

I guess that depends on what forms that point of view, really.

 

If one's point of view is based on nothing but feelings and emotions, and is devoid of empirical evidence of any kind...like, say, "Deadpool is the coolest character ever created, and if you don't agree, you're stupid!"...I would agree, that is pretty closed-minded, inconsiderate, and narcissistic.

 

However...if one's point of view is based on empirical evidence, data, experience, and other such pieces of tangible information, and not on feeling and emotions, then it becomes an informed opinion, and not closed-minded, inconsiderate, or narcissistic at all.

 

After all...if someone was to run around and think the moon was made of gouda cheese, insist it was so, despite all evidence to the contrary, and MY point of view is that it's composed of rock, minerals, and other material similar to the Earth's composition, would I be closed-minded, inconsiderate, and narcissistic if I dismissed that cheese guy as "not smart"...?

 

If someone says that people aren't smart because they are doing dumb things, like buying multiple brand new variants in the hopes that they will make money on it, are they being closed-minded? That's not smart. The market is littered, stuffed to the gills, with variants that are worth less than they cost when brand new. For every 1 variant that "hits", 200 have not. There's more than enough empirical evidence to demonstrate that such behavior is "not smart"...it's an informed point of view, based on evidence that cannot be easily dismissed.

 

So, your charge is probably without merit.

BUT I DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAID SO THEY'RE POOPY HEADS!

 

To be fair, you did say he wasn't smart.

 

And it's certainly not the first time you've been accused of being single-minded...

 

 

I said he wasn't smart if he thought I wasn't making a good case.

 

What was my case?

 

I said that buying "limited" variants JUST BECAUSE they're "limited" isn't smart.

 

I said that there should be something ELSE in there when you put that money down.

 

If the something ELSE is something worthless, like "random scantily clad female" or "random first appearance of no one", that's probably not a good spend of money.

 

If, however, the something ELSE is... "I REALLY WANT THIS" then by all means, get it. Get 100 if you want 100.

 

But, since NONE of us can afford every quantity of every comic ever produced, we make our decisions based on something... or nothing.

 

I'm advocating that people make decisions based on a solid footing. Have a reason. Have that reason be more than "it's limited".

 

But... if your heart loves the heck out of scantily-clad female first appearances of new characters printed this year... go for it, buddy. I'm sure she'll love you back in your dreams no matter what her comic is worth.

 

(thumbs u

 

If someone says 2 + 2 is 6 and instead I say that 2 + 2 is 4 based upon solid reasons...

it doesn't mean the other guy is right or that I'm wrong for saying it's not smart to say 6.

 

It also doesn't mean we should meet in the middle and just say 2 + 2 is 5.

 

You're still a dope.

 

[valiantman]

You're still a dope.

 

[krighton]

no one on this board has ever changed their mind about a comic or buying habits that they feel strongly about. It's just a tennis match until people go on to a different subject.

[Gunnz]

Collectors who are putting thousands of dollars into brand new variants hoping that one of them will someday be worth a thousand dollars are going to lose. Period.

You can't spend $2,000 hoping that something you bought will be worth $1,000 when the rest are worthless.

 

There are too many collectors who get really excited by "limited" and just hand over their money.

 

ANYTHING can be "limited". Many things are "super-limited" right now. What ELSE makes the item desirable?

 

If the answer is "there's a super-hot female drawn on the cover" ---- well, yeah... so what? There are tons of those. There will be tons more printed next month... and the month after.

 

If the answer is "it's also the limited edition of the first appearance of a character with a rumor about something" ---- well, yeah... so what?

Should anyone pay $20+ each for the possibility maybe someday a brand new character might be more important than the other new characters introduced before or after?

Go ahead and buy all the rookie cards in sports, too, because one in a thousand will make it to the hall of fame.

 

When it comes to variants, "limited" just isn't enough... what ELSE?

 

People should keep their money until they can answer the "else". (thumbs u

 

You're right, how I choose to spend my money is totally your business. From now on, I'm running all my spending past you.

 

Why are your thoughts on hydro? I mean, ya, lights and heat are great, but it's not an IH181.... I dunno man... Advice?

I have no idea what Hydro is.

If it's the guy from the 1940s, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the guy from 1981's ASM #212, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the guy from Mortal Kombat, that's not a new limited variant.

If it's the villain from Power Rangers, that's not a new limited variant.

 

If it's a scantily-clad female on a super-limited variant printed in 2015... yeah, I'm probably against you buying that.

If you're selling... well... sell, sell, sell... because that's a worthless comic in the making.

 

So, what you SHOULD do and what you ACTUALLY do can be two different things.

 

People SHOULD be smart. Many aren't. You're in good company. (thumbs u

 

I can't argue with people like you. You see things one way and that's the only way. Yes people buy to resell, but a lot of people buy because they like it. If you make some cash, cool. If you don't, you knew it was a risk when you bought. In the end, they're comic books, and it's a hobby. If it's your business, completely different set of rules. But for most people on here, you SHOULD buy what makes you happy.

 

Telling people they aren't smart because they don't agree with your point of view is pretty closed minded, inconsiderate and narcissistic.

 

 

I guess that depends on what forms that point of view, really.

 

If one's point of view is based on nothing but feelings and emotions, and is devoid of empirical evidence of any kind...like, say, "Deadpool is the coolest character ever created, and if you don't agree, you're stupid!"...I would agree, that is pretty closed-minded, inconsiderate, and narcissistic.

 

However...if one's point of view is based on empirical evidence, data, experience, and other such pieces of tangible information, and not on feeling and emotions, then it becomes an informed opinion, and not closed-minded, inconsiderate, or narcissistic at all.

 

After all...if someone was to run around and think the moon was made of gouda cheese, insist it was so, despite all evidence to the contrary, and MY point of view is that it's composed of rock, minerals, and other material similar to the Earth's composition, would I be closed-minded, inconsiderate, and narcissistic if I dismissed that cheese guy as "not smart"...?

 

If someone says that people aren't smart because they are doing dumb things, like buying multiple brand new variants in the hopes that they will make money on it, are they being closed-minded? That's not smart. The market is littered, stuffed to the gills, with variants that are worth less than they cost when brand new. For every 1 variant that "hits", 200 have not. There's more than enough empirical evidence to demonstrate that such behavior is "not smart"...it's an informed point of view, based on evidence that cannot be easily dismissed.

 

So, your charge is probably without merit.

BUT I DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAID SO THEY'RE POOPY HEADS!

 

To be fair, you did say he wasn't smart.

 

And it's certainly not the first time you've been accused of being single-minded...

 

 

I said he wasn't smart if he thought I wasn't making a good case.

 

What was my case?

 

I said that buying "limited" variants JUST BECAUSE they're "limited" isn't smart.

 

I said that there should be something ELSE in there when you put that money down.

 

If the something ELSE is something worthless, like "random scantily clad female" or "random first appearance of no one", that's probably not a good spend of money.

 

If, however, the something ELSE is... "I REALLY WANT THIS" then by all means, get it. Get 100 if you want 100.

 

But, since NONE of us can afford every quantity of every comic ever produced, we make our decisions based on something... or nothing.

 

I'm advocating that people make decisions based on a solid footing. Have a reason. Have that reason be more than "it's limited".

 

But... if your heart loves the heck out of scantily-clad female first appearances of new characters printed this year... go for it, buddy. I'm sure she'll love you back in your dreams no matter what her comic is worth.

 

(thumbs u

 

If someone says 2 + 2 is 6 and instead I say that 2 + 2 is 4 based upon solid reasons...

it doesn't mean the other guy is right or that I'm wrong for saying it's not smart to say 6.

 

It also doesn't mean we should meet in the middle and just say 2 + 2 is 5.

 

You're still a dope.

 

 

+4

[valiantman]

no one on this board has ever changed their mind about a comic or buying habits that they feel strongly about. It's just a tennis match until people go on to a different subject.

Good point.

 

Is this considered a Modern comic?

 

[rjrjr]

Just finished reading today's WD. Massive print run aside, all the stars seem to be aligning for #100. Whether or not demand will ever outweigh supply would seem to be the only obstacle.

Are there more than 100 k WD fans out there? I'd guess there are at least 100 k casual reader fans and about another 5-10 million fans getting on board at this point to. With mad men coming to an end AMC has one darling taking the lead and its WD.

 

Getting on board? The TV series just finished it's 5th season. I'm dubious there are 5-10 million fans ready to pick up the comic at this point.

[rjrjr]

I'm talking about people just 'doing' variants...they protect their licensing pretty religiously... I read they were having diamond pull all the Dark Horse Star wars stuff so it couldn't be ordered, mostly TPBs but still.

 

That would be standard operating procedure when a license moves from one company to another though. This isn't something exclusive that Disney/Marvel is doing.

[Gunnz]

Just finished reading today's WD. Massive print run aside, all the stars seem to be aligning for #100. Whether or not demand will ever outweigh supply would seem to be the only obstacle.

Are there more than 100 k WD fans out there? I'd guess there are at least 100 k casual reader fans and about another 5-10 million fans getting on board at this point to. With mad men coming to an end AMC has one darling taking the lead and its WD.

 

Getting on board? The TV series just finished it's 5th season. I'm dubious there are 5-10 million fans ready to pick up the comic at this point.

 

I hear the fan base is pretty much dead....

[divad]

I think we need to redefine the "Modern Age" as all books printed since TWD 1 . . .

[valiantman]

I think we need to redefine the "Modern Age" as all books printed since TWD 1 . . .

Or... anything printed since Ultimate Spider-man #1 White.

[divad]

I think we need to redefine the "Modern Age" as all books printed since TWD 1 . . .

Or... anything printed since Ultimate Spider-man #1 White.

 

If we did that, than the Modern Age would already be over . . .

[valiantman]

I think we need to redefine the "Modern Age" as all books printed since TWD 1 . . .

Or... anything printed since Ultimate Spider-man #1 White.

 

If we did that, than the Modern Age would already be over . . .

 

Right, that would be Cinema Age... 2000-2014

 

2015-present is the new Modern, starting with Marvel Star Wars #1.

[rjrjr]

That has always been the problem with investing in something you like. You get carried away and lose track of what is a smart investment and what is just a pretty book. I already expressed my opinion on this many times - I really dont think there is a bubble, I think the "investors" or "flippers" get enticed by the product and lose track of the investment risk. Boba Fett is a classic example of that, yes, Spider Gwen phantom is too. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH BUYING THESE IF YOU WANT THEM. But assuming they will bring profit when they take off at a premium, while the whole world is talking about them BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN PRINTED is a red flag from the investment point of view.

 

I agree with this.

 

Also, it helps to put these things in perspective. Will this comic ever sell for more than the first appearance of Boba Fett in comics? Should it? That right there limits the long term upside IMHO. I know the modern market can be crazy, but I cannot believe people would value any modern variant more than the first appearance of the character.

 

What I will never understand with the irrational euphoria of the past few years is why people buy comics they otherwise would have no interest in until they learn that it is "hot". I wasn't aware there were so many collectors with money to burn. Those who sell these comics and turn a profit I understand. But those collectors who buy these things up and sit on them for years are going to be sorely disappointed when the day comes to sell.

[krighton]

are there some issues of ESOV2 that sell for more than the Death of Gwen Stacy comic.

Edited April 10, 2015 by krighton

[valiantman]

Will this comic ever sell for more than the first appearance of Boba Fett in comics? Should it? That right there limits the long term upside IMHO.

Isn't the upside limit at least slightly related to staying below the value of an original Boba Fett action figure on the card?

 

It's a comic, no doubt... but this particular one is referencing the action figure.

There are lots of other Boba Fett modern variants that are just cool Boba Fett art.

 

One example I can think of is the Amazing Spiderman #300 Chromium Reprint (that isn't actually named that).

 

Those reprints 10 years after the original changed the format slightly (using chromium), dropped the print run very low... and still sell for a big chunk of whatever ASM #300 is in the market.

[MrWeen]

He was killed by a blind man with a stick.

 

Granted, that blind man was a badass, but still...

 

 

What are your thoughts, Mr. Sarlacc Pit?

 

"BURP!"

 

Wait, I though Boba lived?

 

[rjrjr]

Will this comic ever sell for more than the first appearance of Boba Fett in comics? Should it? That right there limits the long term upside IMHO.

Isn't the upside limit at least slightly related to the value of an original Boba Fett action figure?

 

It's a comic, no doubt... but this particular one is referencing the action figure.

There are lots of other Boba Fett modern variants that are just cool Boba Fett art.

 

I wouldn't think so, but I've been wrong before.

 

Outside of the decoration that looks like the original Kenner action figure packaging, does this cover really invoke the coolness of the original Boba Fett action figure packaging? Honestly, the original Boba Fett action figure packaging would make a better comic cover than this one and the art is infinitely cooler. This is just a picture of Boba Fett's head and a drawing of the action figure.