I hate the Miami Heat

[Marvelfangirl]

You didn't see Magic, Bird, or Jordan needing to gather a cabal of star players to win.

 

Yes, because they lucked out. Cleveland never picked up a Kevin McHale, James Worthy, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, or Robert Parish. LeBron waited for 7 years, carrying that team year after year, but decided not to repeat the mistakes of Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, and Karl Malone by sticking with teams for too long that didn't have the firepower.

+1

[500Club]

You didn't see Magic, Bird, or Jordan needing to gather a cabal of star players to win.

 

Yes, because they lucked out. Cleveland never picked up a Kevin McHale, James Worthy, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, or Robert Parish. LeBron waited for 7 years, carrying that team year after year, but decided not to repeat the mistakes of Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, and Karl Malone by sticking with teams for too long that didn't have the firepower.

. You say 'lucked out', I say they had qualities that allowed championship pieces to develop and be fit around them.

 

 

[fantastic_four]

. You say 'lucked out', I say they had qualities that allowed championship pieces to develop and be fit around them.

 

Which Cavalier from 2003 to 2010 are you thinking could have been a Hall of Famer like McHale, Worthy, Abdul-Jabbar, or Parish if not for LeBron James holding them back?

[Marvelfangirl]

. You say 'lucked out', I say they had qualities that allowed championship pieces to develop and be fit around them.

 

Which Cavalier from 2005 to 2010 are you thinking could have been a Hall of Famer like McHale, Worthy, Abdul-Jabbar, or Parish if not for LeBron James holding them back?

I can't think of one

[500Club]

. You say 'lucked out', I say they had qualities that allowed championship pieces to develop and be fit around them.

 

Which Cavalier from 2003 to 2010 are you thinking could have been a Hall of Famer like McHale, Worthy, Abdul-Jabbar, or Parish if not for LeBron James holding them back?

Wrong interpretation.

 

LeBron didn't stand in long enough to see if the process would be the same for him. In fact, the posted graphic showed MJs career at age 27, prior to the Bulls filling out.

[Bfairb]

haters gonna hate. lebron finally put together a consistent string of games that puts him in rare company. and it looks like he has grown up a lot in the last year....it that continues, along with some luck he is looking a multiple rings. you might not like him but he will go down as one of the greatest players ever.

 

if you can't accept above....suck it!

[fantastic_four]

Wrong interpretation.

 

LeBron didn't stand in long enough to see if the process would be the same for him. In fact, the posted graphic showed MJs career at age 27, prior to the Bulls filling out.

 

So which Cavalier from 2003 to 2010 was about to emerge into a Pippen, but LeBron didn't wait long enough for it? There isn't one. He waited a long time and decided it was time to not wait any longer. Shaq and Drexler made the same decision he did and are undoubtedly extremely proud of themselves for doing it. Barkley and Malone eventually realized they needed to do it, but they waited too long.

 

I can't imagine Jordan staying with the Bulls had Pippen not come along--he HATED, H-A-T-E-D his general manager Jerry Krause, as did Pippen, Grant, and Phil Jackson. Hated him so much he bad-mouthed him at his Hall of Fame induction.

[Bfairb]

right on. they went after free agents for years and no one bit...who wants to play in cleveland? it was a tough sell. he had not supporting cast. just to get to the finals that year in cleveland without any help was a miracle.

[500Club]

Wrong interpretation.

 

LeBron didn't stand in long enough to see if the process would be the same for him. In fact, the posted graphic showed MJs career at age 27, prior to the Bulls filling out.

 

So which Cavalier from 2003 to 2010 was about to emerge into a Pippen, but LeBron didn't wait long enough for it? There isn't one. He waited a long time and decided it was time to not wait any longer. Shaq and Drexler made the same decision he did and are undoubtedly extremely proud of themselves for doing it. Barkley and Malone eventually realized they needed to do it, but they waited too long.

Maybe no one. Maybe they draft someone. Maybe a trade. My crystal ball ain't working so well.

 

Shaq didn't join a build-a-champion team; the Lakers were good, not great. Shaq and the 13th overall pick in 1996 got them the titles. The rest of the guys you mention were great players, but not creme-de-la-creme level that LeBron aspires to be regarded as.

 

To me, LeBron is a ring chaser, exemplified by the classless 'The Decision'; and not someone who will be looked back upon as an all-time-great player around whom championship teams were built.

[TheGeneral]

Yes

 

[500Club]

haters gonna hate. lebron finally put together a consistent string of games that puts him in rare company. and it looks like he has grown up a lot in the last year....it that continues, along with some luck he is looking a multiple rings. you might not like him but he will go down as one of the greatest players ever.

 

if you can't accept above....suck it!

 

I guess I'd feel that way too if one of my teams suddenly had three stars of the game decide to insta-assemble a champion.

[Bfairb]

Do they even have basketball in Canada...errr I mean real basketball, much

Like the team mascot in Toronto basketball is extinct in Canada if it ever really was alive to start with.

[500Club]

Not enough for my liking... not enough baseball, either.

[Marvelfangirl]

Now the haters can't say LeBron is a choker

 

Seriously,they need something else to do

[Marvelfangirl]

Not enough for my liking... not enough baseball, either.

Well,that sucks

[500Club]

Not enough for my liking... not enough baseball, either.

Well,that sucks

Yep... gotta make do with a zillion sports channels.

 

I'd love to live in a four-sport city, though.

[Marvelfangirl]

Not enough for my liking... not enough baseball, either.

Well,that sucks

Yep... gotta make do with a zillion sports channels.

 

I'd love to live in a four-sport city, though.

In Texas,we have the following:

 

2 MLB teams

3 NBA teams

2 WNBA teams

1 NHL team

2 MLS teams

 

So,we have a bit of everything

[TheShadowKnows]

I grew up in Seattle. The thought of the Thunder winning a championship made me ill...

I feel ya.Dont know if it was truly about the arena or the now owner was from OKC.

[Logan510]

Wrong interpretation.

 

LeBron didn't stand in long enough to see if the process would be the same for him. In fact, the posted graphic showed MJs career at age 27, prior to the Bulls filling out.

 

So which Cavalier from 2003 to 2010 was about to emerge into a Pippen, but LeBron didn't wait long enough for it? There isn't one. He waited a long time and decided it was time to not wait any longer. Shaq and Drexler made the same decision he did and are undoubtedly extremely proud of themselves for doing it. Barkley and Malone eventually realized they needed to do it, but they waited too long.

 

I can't imagine Jordan staying with the Bulls had Pippen not come along--he HATED, H-A-T-E-D his general manager Jerry Krause, as did Pippen, Grant, and Phil Jackson. Hated him so much he bad-mouthed him at his Hall of Fame induction.

 

Ever read the book The Jordan Rules? He was allegedly thinking about retirement as early as the 1991 season before it started. Remember....free agency was a lot different back then. Players of all-star calibur generally were moved via trade.

 

Also, Shaq was on a damn good team in Orlando that had another superstar in Penny Hardaway...he just wanted to live in LA, be in movies etc etc.

[TheShadowKnows]

I wouldn't call him overrated. Overexposed, yes.

Has to go with 2 other players,all making 100m.In my opinion hes a coattailer.

 

Karl Malone and Charles Barkley advised him to not be the only great player on his team like he was in Cleveland--almost every NBA champion team has multiple superstars on them. Teams winning it all with one or zero stars is an extremely rare thing. I've only seen it once since I started watching basketball in the 1980s--the Detroit Pistons of 2004. All other teams had multiple stars. You could go on and on listing great players who couldn't win it until they combined with other great stars--Jordan and Pippen, Olajuwon and Drexler, Robinson and Duncan and then Duncan and Parker, Kobe and Shaq and then Kobe and Gasol/Odom or Shaq and Wade. Could go on and on.

Maybe its just me.It seemed kind of slimey.Kind of well im not good enough to win in my home town lets all meet in south beach.