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[comicwiz]

I'm truly lost, Roy...are you saying the answer you wrote is a good one?

 

I have to agree with Nick, most people I deal with on eBay, or when I talk to people at shows, identify slabs by numerical grades, raw books by letter (word) grades.

 

It seemed to me that the changing to numerical grades was an effort to make the new system special.

 

 

Nope, I was trying to show that it's because of tradition that we do it and it may have it's place for now.

 

And to me the numerical grades make things easier, and certainly more easy for the average person to understand since people understand 1-10 much easier than G/GVG/VG/VGF etc.

 

Again, I'm not being pushy about it. Just discussing it. Like MCMiles said, I personally don't care either way as I can see the appeal for both sides (equivocating spoiler) but I tend to favour the numerical one for obvious reasons (non-equivocating spoiler).

 

 

The alpha grades are foundational, and you could certainly build on them, but they just can't be replaced or removed from use.

 

I've seen the other side of a hodgepodge grading scale used to grade toys, and believe it or not, toy certification has made it even more confusing due to the resistance toward third-party grading.

 

Based on the amount of time I've been collecting in this hobby and others, I can tell you that no matter how things evolve in comics, the alpha will remain the standard, and I'm appreciative that we have one.

[Dale Roberts]

Obviously, you don't care at all.....

 

You have only posted 46 times in this thread since yesterday...

 

I care about the "why" in every discussion, not the "what". That's why it's a discussion.

 

 

 

Sir, put down the bong and take 2 steps back

[MrBedrock]

I love when I get a call from someone trying to sell a collection of old comics they found in the attic.

"Well ma'am, what kind of shape are they in?"

"Oh, They are all in very good shape. Very good. They are still in their original bags and everything."

Then they come in and the books are all dog-earred and water damaged and beat up in some crusty old yellow bags from the '70s.

"Sorry ma'am, these are what we call good condition. Some of them are only fair."

She gives me a blank stare.

 

Actually that last part is lie...

 

...I now say "Ma'am, on a scale of 1 to 10, with ten being the best, your books are mostly ones and twos."

 

She understands immediately.

[Silver Surfer]

I give your post a 7 out of 10!

[comicwiz]

I have yet to run into someone who fully understands alpha or numerical grade assignments. What people who don't know anything about comics care most about is the person they are dealing with, and if they can't trust them, no matter what grade they assign the books, they'll refuse to listen, much less demonstrate the capacity or willingness to understand.

[Bookery]

...I now say "Ma'am, on a scale of 1 to 10, with ten being the best, your books are mostly ones and twos."

 

Whoa! 10 is the best? Now I've got to re-grade my entire inventory (this explains why my high-grades have been selling out so fast)

 

[MrBedrock]

I give your post a 7 out of 10!

[Bookery]

I love when I get a call from someone trying to sell a collection of old comics they found in the attic.

"Well ma'am, what kind of shape are they in?"

"Oh, They are all in very good shape. Very good. They are still in their original bags and everything."

 

The "original bags" thing is exactly right!

But my attic-find sellers have only ever heard of one grade... "near mint".

 

 

[VintageComics]

I have yet to run into someone who fully understands alpha or numerical assignments - what people who don't know anything about comics care most about is the person they are dealing with, and if they can't trust them, no matter what grade they assign the books, they'll refuse to listen, much less demonstrate the capacity or willingness to understand.

 

Sure, but what they do understand is a universally accepted scale as opposed to a scale that is only understood by a very small group of select people.

 

Bedrock's experience mirrors my own and I can't believe I didn't use that example as I'm constantly needing to translate letters for numbers when someone calls me selling books but is not a lifelong collector.

[comicwiz]

I love when I get a call from someone trying to sell a collection of old comics they found in the attic.

"Well ma'am, what kind of shape are they in?"

"Oh, They are all in very good shape. Very good. They are still in their original bags and everything."

 

The "original bags" thing is exactly right!

But my attic-find sellers have only ever heard of one grade... "near mint".

 

 

Don't you mean "mint?"

[VintageComics]

I love when I get a call from someone trying to sell a collection of old comics they found in the attic.

"Well ma'am, what kind of shape are they in?"

"Oh, They are all in very good shape. Very good. They are still in their original bags and everything."

 

The "original bags" thing is exactly right!

But my attic-find sellers have only ever heard of one grade... "near mint".

 

 

They're mint in bags.

 

Yes ma'am, but what are they like outside of the bags?

 

I'm afraid to touch them, I don't know.

 

 

[MrBedrock]

Bedrock's experience mirrors my own

You are a great role model.

[COI]

What bags do comic books originally come in?

[HOTFLIPS]

Is this a debate about who should be the MVP?

 

It certainly is taking on alot of the characteristics of a "sabermetrics" vs old school baseball stats argument.

 

Personally I vote Trout.

 

Finally a topic i know a little about. Enough of this comic stuff. Dude!! Cabrera won the Triple Crown. THE TRIPLE CROWN!! And he got his team to the World Series.

 

Jeff

 

Cabrera was the best offensive player. Trout was the most valuable player. Value in baseball is about wins. Wins is a factor of runs scored vs runs allowed.

 

There is a high correlation between run differential (or Runs scored vs runs allowed) and wins. As evidence of this, no team with a below .500 record had a positive run differential this year. That is a fancy way of saying they scored less runs than they allowed. Every team with a .500 or better record scored more runs than they allowed. This fact tells me that there are at least 2 components to determining value, that is runs created and runs saved. Defense does make a difference.

 

Offensive value should come from primarily 1 area...runs created. Runs created encompasses so many different factors of offense, from hitting, to effective slugging, to baserunning. It also includes factors which are not included in sabermetric stats, such as the ability to hit a sacrifice fly, or drive in a run from 3rd base on a ground ball to the 2nd baseman. These 2 things have value, even though they are not factored in to the advanced metrics. There are new stats such as extra base taken%, but these are all included in runs scored. An extra base taken or a stolen base which does not score, generally has zero value. In actual value(runs created), the only stats that really have an impact on the club's win total are runs scored and runs driven in.

 

So my formula to determine the most valuable player would be the player who creates the most runs on offense and the player who saves the most runs on defense. Runs created + runs saved = MVP. Runs saved is extremely hard to judge, so going with metrics of plus or minus runs saved above average from Fan Graphs and the Fielding Bible.

 

Cabrera - 139 RBI + 109 runs - 44 HRs +(-8 PMRS) = 196

Trout - 83 RBI + 129 runs - 30 HRs + (21 PMRS) = 203

 

When you include defense, it is clear that Trout is in fact more valuable to his team than Cabrera. I was somewhat surprised by this outcome, but I feel it is a very fair way to evaluate who is the Most Valuable.

 

 

Defense is a big deal, ill agree there. But the Angels finished third this year if im not mistaken. Take Trout out and where do the Angels finish?? Im thinking still third. Take Cabrera away from the Tigers and where do they finish?? Not first and not in the Playoffs.

 

I know Sabermetrics and all this new stuff about analyzing a player is common and has become a big part in valuing a player, sometimes though i think the core of an evauation is right there in front of you and not beyond the numbers. If the Angels go to the playoff this year, then there is a bigger arguement for Trout, but still debatable,

 

Jeff

[MrBedrock]

What bags do comic books originally come in?

The ones that say "Robert Bell" on the flap.

[Theagenes]

 

It's the same reason most countries have switched from Imperial measuring standards to Metric ones. Simplicity, ease of conversion, etc, etc.

 

Does anyone actually use the metric system in their day to day life? If someone asks me how tall I am or how much I weight I still don't reference kilos or meters and if I did people would probably would look at me funny. Carry on.

 

I use it so much with my work that it's become harder for me to think in English measurements for distance.

[seanfingh]

What bags do comic books originally come in?

The ones that say "Robert Bell" on the flap.

 

This is a baseball thread; don't you mean Albert Belle.

[COI]

What bags do comic books originally come in?

The ones that say "Robert Bell" on the flap.

 

This is a baseball thread; don't you mean Albert Belle.

 

I have no clue who either of you are talking about, so I'm just gonna throw Bell Biv Devoe out there and walk away.

[HOTFLIPS]

What bags do comic books originally come in?

The ones that say "Robert Bell" on the flap.

 

This is a baseball thread; don't you mean Albert Belle.

 

I have no clue who either of you are talking about, so I'm just gonna throw Bell Biv Devoe out there and walk away.

 

Walk away cause that girl is poison.

[seanfingh]

What bags do comic books originally come in?

The ones that say "Robert Bell" on the flap.

 

This is a baseball thread; don't you mean Albert Belle.

 

I have no clue who either of you are talking about, so I'm just gonna throw Bell Biv Devoe out there and walk away.

 

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