Fantastic Four reboot is already screwed up...

[Comicopolis]

[Prince Namor]

 

Not THAT's a herald.

[Flaming_Telepath]

I may not be as hardline as Logan on this topic (though it's hard to tell in the ASM movie thread), but I understand where he's coming from in all of this.

 

Most of what makes the Fantastic Four great was established in the Kirby era, and whereas other creators have either (for the most part) repeated the stories in some watered down way or butchered it altogether; occasionally, someone like John Byrne comes along and gets it, respects it, and understands it - taking the Invisible Girl and her powers that match her personality and turning her into the Invisible Woman - things like that, but overall it's difficult to trust Hollywood to approach the material with that same sort of respect, trust and knowledge.

 

This can be irritating to long time fans of the comic, who see certain aspects of the story as important to who the characters are.

 

Because let's face it, the studios change things, simply because they feel they can market it better. It's all about commerce, not art.

 

When Byrne changed things during his time doing the FF, he had his reasons, and they were done with a respect and reverence to the original material. I may not have always agreed with it, but I understood where he was coming from.

 

I can't respect the idea of, "Let's make the Human Torch black because it'll make us more money!" Beyond not being faithful to the source material, I find that offensive.

 

 

 

 

What saddens me most about these debates is that I'm arguing with people who grew up with and love this stuff as much as I do. These are the people that should be irritated when H'Wood kraps all over this stuff in the name of ego.

 

changing the race of a charcter has nothign to do with ego or money making. I doubt a black human torch will draw in mega dollars.

 

Additionally It is reactionary and overly simplistic to say that every Hollywood movie is awful. I have enjoyed 3 of the four Spider-Man movies. I really liked XM first class ditto for Sin City and 300. This doesn’t make me any less a fan.

 

I never consented to the movie being crapped on. My argument for changing it was to make a better movie. I believe race doesn’t matter because my preference isn’t for skin colour it is for the actor that creates the most immersive experience. So if anything I am not glad the movie is being craped on I am happy that directors can think laterally to use the best resources possible to bring the superhero world to life.

 

Your idea of fidelity is selective and secondly it is impossible as the characters have no definite identity.

 

Logan I have dismissed your argument to my satisfaction however it is obvious I will never convince you to your satisfaction.

 

 

 

What saddens me most about these debates is that I'm arguing with people who grew up with and love this stuff as much as I do. These are the people that should be irritated when H'Wood kraps all over this stuff in the name of ego.

 

You've got nothing, have you?

 

Your argument is basically that you can't believe other people don't think exactly like you do and you're using emotive - yet unsupported - words like 'krap' to turn our heads?

 

That's your opinion. And that's great. But it doesn't render our opinion any less valid or any less true.

 

It's hard talking to a brick wall. I can keep repeating my valid points to you and you can keep twisting what I say to suit your own agenda if you like?

 

So, just to humor me...why was Galactus changed into a cloud for the movie if it wasn't for money, ego or embarrassment?

 

 

Now that is actually really funny!

 

I find it more annoying

I am sure you do. I just find it funny that you could comment about it being hard to talk to a brick wall.

 

Why?

 

Because most people here are seeing you as the brick wall.

 

And I'm still waiting for your 'valid points' that don't amount to 'it's not like that in the comics'.

[Bosco685]

Now that is a cool costume. Even a little Earth in his hand.

 

 

[Bosco685]

And mini Silver Surfer off his left shoulder that blends in with the poster in the background.

 

[Logan510]

I may not be as hardline as Logan on this topic (though it's hard to tell in the ASM movie thread), but I understand where he's coming from in all of this.

 

Most of what makes the Fantastic Four great was established in the Kirby era, and whereas other creators have either (for the most part) repeated the stories in some watered down way or butchered it altogether; occasionally, someone like John Byrne comes along and gets it, respects it, and understands it - taking the Invisible Girl and her powers that match her personality and turning her into the Invisible Woman - things like that, but overall it's difficult to trust Hollywood to approach the material with that same sort of respect, trust and knowledge.

 

This can be irritating to long time fans of the comic, who see certain aspects of the story as important to who the characters are.

 

Because let's face it, the studios change things, simply because they feel they can market it better. It's all about commerce, not art.

 

When Byrne changed things during his time doing the FF, he had his reasons, and they were done with a respect and reverence to the original material. I may not have always agreed with it, but I understood where he was coming from.

 

I can't respect the idea of, "Let's make the Human Torch black because it'll make us more money!" Beyond not being faithful to the source material, I find that offensive.

 

 

 

 

What saddens me most about these debates is that I'm arguing with people who grew up with and love this stuff as much as I do. These are the people that should be irritated when H'Wood kraps all over this stuff in the name of ego.

 

changing the race of a charcter has nothign to do with ego or money making. I doubt a black human torch will draw in mega dollars.

 

Additionally It is reactionary and overly simplistic to say that every Hollywood movie is awful. I have enjoyed 3 of the four Spider-Man movies. I really liked XM first class ditto for Sin City and 300. This doesn’t make me any less a fan.

 

I never consented to the movie being crapped on. My argument for changing it was to make a better movie. I believe race doesn’t matter because my preference isn’t for skin colour it is for the actor that creates the most immersive experience. So if anything I am not glad the movie is being craped on I am happy that directors can think laterally to use the best resources possible to bring the superhero world to life.

 

Your idea of fidelity is selective and secondly it is impossible as the characters have no definite identity.

 

Logan I have dismissed your argument to my satisfaction however it is obvious I will never convince you to your satisfaction.

 

 

 

What saddens me most about these debates is that I'm arguing with people who grew up with and love this stuff as much as I do. These are the people that should be irritated when H'Wood kraps all over this stuff in the name of ego.

 

You've got nothing, have you?

 

Your argument is basically that you can't believe other people don't think exactly like you do and you're using emotive - yet unsupported - words like 'krap' to turn our heads?

 

That's your opinion. And that's great. But it doesn't render our opinion any less valid or any less true.

 

It's hard talking to a brick wall. I can keep repeating my valid points to you and you can keep twisting what I say to suit your own agenda if you like?

 

So, just to humor me...why was Galactus changed into a cloud for the movie if it wasn't for money, ego or embarrassment?

 

 

Now that is actually really funny!

 

I find it more annoying

I am sure you do. I just find it funny that you could comment about it being hard to talk to a brick wall.

 

Why?

 

Because most people here are seeing you as the brick wall.

 

And I'm still waiting for your 'valid points' that don't amount to 'it's not like that in the comics'.

 

That is a valid point and as a comic book fan that should be enough.

 

So, you twist around what I say and then speak on the behalf of "most people". I've seen this before...just can't place it..oh yeah

[The-Collector]

Ft is correct.

 

We are not twisting your words we are refuting them.

 

You however retreat to to same unsupported position each time.

[Flaming_Telepath]

That is a valid point and as a comic book fan that should be enough.

 

That's not a valid point. It's no more than an opinion.

 

And it's not universally shared, not by a long shot...strangely, by other comic fans.

[Logan510]

That is a valid point and as a comic book fan that should be enough.

 

That's not a valid point. It's no more than an opinion.

 

And it's not universally shared, not by a long shot...strangely, by other comic fans.

 

Yes, it IS strange...and very depressing.

 

Carry on.

[Logan510]

Ft is correct.

 

We are not twisting your words we are refuting them.

 

You however retreat to to same unsupported position each time.

 

I could go back through this very thread and point it out, but I doubt that would make any difference to you

[Logan510]

Chuck,

You forgot the option for " I don't care as long as they make a movie".

[Prince Namor]

Chuck,

You forgot the option for " I don't care as long as they make a movie".

 

That falls under, "Leave me be, I'm smoking crack." General FYI for everyone.

[slym2none]

I don't know what the right way to handle Galactus on the big screen is and haven't heard anyone else propose a good alternative.

 

He'll be on in five...four...three...two...one...

 

This is an easy one:

With special effects you can make anything come to life on the screen.

 

I kind of like thinking of the reaction the movie-character humans would have as they see something akin to the "face of God" coming from out of the clouds.

 

Hmm... interesting. 1983's "Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe" has Galactus at 28'9" tall (they couldn't have just said 29 feet? :shrug: ) and says his height diminshes when he is need of planetary energy to feed on. The Marvel wiki lists the same height, but says "variable" after that, and then goes on to later say he can increases his mass & size to an unknown extent, since "he once grew to a stature so great he eclipsed a sun."

 

I always thought his face was about as big as a medium-small house's footprint (1500 sq. feet) or so.

 

 

Looks like Hollywood has lots of "wiggle-room" to make him as large or small as they want, if they so desired.

 

 

 

 

-slym

[slym2none]

Whether he made it up or not, the humanoid versus monster design is the main issue with the character. Someone later ret-conned the problem by writing that Galactus appears in the form of a member of whatever species is looking at him. Creative solution there, but unsatisfying and not an ideal solution to the problem. Some sort of alien design is probably best, but I know for sure half the comic fans will hate it just because it's a change from what they're used to.

 

How about a large, humanoid shape (torso, hands, arms, head, etc.) but instead of a human face, that could be the cloud inside the helmet? Almost like his suit contains a galaxy of its own, so it doesn't really have a face at all?

 

I mean, the Silver Surfer is humanoid, why can't Galactus?

 

 

 

-slym

[Bosco685]

Hmm... interesting. 1983's "Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe" has Galactus at 28'9" tall (they couldn't have just said 29 feet? :shrug: ) and says his height diminshes when he is need of planetary energy to feed on.

 

It's like Marvel's weight characteristic details on the Hulk (1,040 lbs). Does the 40 extra pounds make a 1,000 pound monster that much more impressive?

 

 

But I think they could have easily inserted something like the traditional Galactus in the movie, with speaking parts. It would have seemed more like a major crisis looming with this alien telling Surfer how his hunger requires the destruction of another planet, and more ominous in atmosphere.

 

Even the movie LoEG was able to pull off a hulking character that stood out from the other characters, with the strength to save them when the Nautilus is sinking.

 

 

Even the massive proportions were done in a way it conveyed strength, a threat not to be taken lightly, yet he is pained at his vicious qualities that seemed uncontrollable.

 

[budsbundy]

Movie goers will accept a huge humanoid Galactus no problem.

All throughout history there have been portrayals of giants, from Gods, to titans, to jack and the beanstock, etc....

Done right it would be incredible, and something I really hope to see on the big screen one day.

[Kramerica]

No it's not.

Johnny Storm is Caucasian.

The Kingpin is Caucasian.

Nick Fury is Caucasian.

Electro is Caucasian.

 

Studios feeling the need to cram diversity down our throats is racist. There are many other hero's who are African-American that I would love to see, The Panther, The Falcon.

 

Sorry over

 

I don't think for a second this is some sort of affirmative action thing. Just pick the best man for the job. I'm color blind when it comes to casting as long as the choice is good.

[Bosco685]

I don't think for a second this is some sort of affirmative action thing. Just pick the best man for the job. I'm color blind when it comes to casting as long as the choice is good.

 

Even music videos could benefit from this approach.

 

 

Okay. Maybe not. But it's the effort that counts.

 

[devilsrain]

I don't think for a second this is some sort of affirmative action thing. Just pick the best man for the job. I'm color blind when it comes to casting as long as the choice is good.

 

Even music videos could benefit from this approach.

 

 

Okay. Maybe not. But it's the effort that counts.

 

 

Cmon man I cant unsee mess like that

[Bosco685]