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Cole Schave collection: face jobs?

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slym2none

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Hmm... top edge is straight on that one with the bottom having the overhang, yet the top edge of the right side has more "peekthrough" than the bottom.

 

That isn't that bad though, nothing like some of the monstrosities shown earlier.

 

 

 

-slym

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mysterio

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Hmm... top edge is straight on that one with the bottom having the overhang, yet the top edge of the right side has more "peekthrough" than the bottom.

 

That isn't that bad though, nothing like some of the monstrosities shown earlier.

 

 

 

-slym

 

Not as bad, no, but still very similar to the manipulated books. I'm guessing RSR instead of shrinkage, but without a back cover scan it is difficult to tell.

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We need a scan of what is was before to detrrmine RSR

 

True, and a scan of the back cover wouldn't hurt either. High grade TTA #27s don't grow on trees, so if this book has sold previously in a lower grade holder (likely an 8.0 or 8.5) someone should be able to find it. That, or it is a new HG copy fresh to market that someone wanted to squeeze a few more thousand bucks out of by ruining it.

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We need a scan of what is was before to detrrmine RSR

 

True, and a scan of the back cover wouldn't hurt either. High grade TTA #27s don't grow on trees, so if this book has sold previously in a lower grade holder (likely an 8.0 or 8.5) someone should be able to find it. That, or it is a new HG copy fresh to market that someone wanted to squeeze a few more thousand bucks out of by ruining it.

Here it is in a previous life when it was a 7.5 with white pages. Doesn't look like RSR, can't really tell but not a bad return for 6 months' work.

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The spine wrap looks pretty similar from the front, so it is either a difference in the scans or the right edge of the cover has moved relative to the pages due to something like shrinkage.

 

Assuming that is the same book, which appears likely, there is a lot of staining on the back cover for this book to have gotten into a 9.0 holder. Bottom two scans are of the 7.5 on Heritage's site.

 

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Assuming that is the same book, which appears likely, there is a lot of staining on the back cover for this book to have gotten into a 9.0 holder.

It's the same book, but that staining is nothing a little time and humidity can't take care of. Natural stain removal happens all the time, especially with the help of a little solvent. But is solvent wash considered restoration? What about aqueous wash? What about a solvent wash that can't be detected? hm

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Assuming that is the same book, which appears likely, there is a lot of staining on the back cover for this book to have gotten into a 9.0 holder.

It's the same book, but that staining is nothing a little time and humidity can't take care of. Natural stain removal happens all the time, especially with the help of a little solvent. But is solvent wash considered restoration? What about aqueous wash? What about a solvent wash that can't be detected? hm

 

Foxing is difficult to remove. But I am also interested in seeing a back cover scan of this book. Maybe CGC relaxed its stance on foxing :juggle:

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There seems to be a small spot/stain in the "A" on the front cover when it grades 7.5 that is not there on the 9.0

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

 

I noticed that too. If that small stain disappeared it is possible that some of the back cover stuff was cleaned up too.

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There seems to be a small spot/stain in the "A" on the front cover when it grades 7.5 that is not there on the 9.0

 

:shrug:

 

I noticed that too. If that small stain disappeared it is possible that some of the back cover stuff was cleaned up too.

 

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-slym

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There seems to be a small spot/stain in the "A" on the front cover when it grades 7.5 that is not there on the 9.0

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

 

I noticed that too. If that small stain disappeared it is possible that some of the back cover stuff was cleaned up too.

 

At best, to hazard that stains have been lightened/removed on this (or any book) is a wild guess, because you're comparing scans, clearly done on different equipment, at different times, and with different results for the color depth. Note the slightly different shades/richness to the main red-brown behind the title.

 

Scans are great but can only tell you so much, and for comparison of color aren't trustworthy unless you were looking at ones known to have been done on the same equipment, same settings.

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