The Death of Adulthood in America - Madmen Season Finale

[Davenport]

Did I censor myself? Or did I just use good business judgement. Is there a name for a white guy zapping himself with Political Correctness?

 

I don't know, I'd just call it common sense.

Why not apply some of that same 'common sense' good judgement to a comic book chatboard? Maybe dial it back on the Zinn/socialist/marxist BS a bit? Maybe go find an appropriate board for your bait&spew diatribes?

 

This isn't the place for it, and you know that.

[Prince Namor]

Did I censor myself? Or did I just use good business judgement. Is there a name for a white guy zapping himself with Political Correctness?

 

I don't know, I'd just call it common sense.

Why not apply some of that same 'common sense' good judgement to a comic book chatboard? Maybe dial it back on the Zinn/socialist/marxist BS a bit? Maybe go find an appropriate board for your bait&spew diatribes?

 

This isn't the place for it, and you know that.

 

Don't want none, don't start none.

 

It began with:

 

I don't understand why contemporary society has such animosity towards white America. Oh yeah, they keep telling you the white people are privileged. I hate racism in all its forms and this type of attack against white people is racist. i wish the PC police would at least be principled about racism.

 

Which to me was pushing forward an agenda. A weird agenda that I hear a lot on these boards, that I find ridiculous.

 

I replied to it non-politically, addressing each point he made.

 

He couldn't put together a proper rebuttal.

 

I applied more information, made some specific points, non of which are political.

 

Once again, unable to respond or refute anything I said, he turned to name calling.

 

If your argument only stands on the shoulders of what politicians or their cronies tell you, then it's a lie. Guaranteed. I just leave that all out of it.

 

I put my thoughts together through facts. If you can dispute them, do so.

 

If not, I have to assume I'm right.

 

 

 

 

[awakeintheashes]

Comic-book movies, family-friendly animated adventures, tales of adolescent heroism and comedies of arrested development do not only make up the commercial center of 21st-century Hollywood. They are its artistic heart.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/magazine/the-death-of-adulthood-in-american-culture.html?_r=0

Good article.

I know one thing Mad Men was far more interesting when they were in that early 1960s period. It kind of lost it`s edge and became a little goofy soap opera when it got to the late 1960s.

 

btw I loved this show, until about somewhere in the fifth season, than you could see the quality erode.

 

The quality didn't erode, that's what they trying to show you. It was always a goofy soap opera, they just kicked down the walls, so you could see it better. The illusion of the wealthy white guys so in control of everything played nicely with the marketing, advertising angle - it was an illusion, their excesses and behavior came with consequences - and the more walls that got torn down (literally and figuratively) we saw how it effected everyone they knew and came in contact with.

 

I don't understand why contemporary society has such animosity towards white America.

 

Example? Do you have a clear example of this?

 

As a white american, I can say I've never in my 50 years ever felt animosity toward my 'whiteness' by contemporary society.

 

Oh yeah, they keep telling you the white people are privileged.

 

Who does? Nobody tells me that.

 

I always hear about people saying that people are saying that, but I never actually hear anyone say that.

 

I'm starting to think someone is trying to lead us into thinking a certain way.....

 

I hate racism in all its forms and this type of attack against white people is racist.

 

Attack? The season finale is an attack on privileged white people?

 

My bad. Here I thought it was an attack on white males born from prostitute's. I had a picket sign made and everything.

 

i wish the PC police would at least be principled about racism.

 

Who are the PC Police? Why do I never see them? Is it the African American who stands up and speaks out when he's discriminated against? Is he the PC Police? Is it the female who stands up and speaks out when she's discriminated against? Is she the PC Police?

 

What are you trying to say? That the world would be a better place if we could just call a woman a biatch, pay her less, smack her bottom and send her back to the kitchen?

 

Isn't the mainstream media all owned by the biggest, richest, whitest male dudes on the planet?

 

I'm going to have to listen more closely to what they tell me. It might all be BS.

 

Shirly, you jest ?

 

No, not in the least bit.

 

Once again, I can find just as many blogs, internet articles and published you tube videos from people claiming that all the signs are there that Satan is real, they've went to hell and MET him, and now they've come back to earth to warn us. An ex-girlfriend of mine was showing me some of this stuff earlier this year and the amount of it, that LOOKS legitimate was hilarious. She did't think so, she actually believes it, but...

 

There are no PC Police.

 

As a professional, you SHOULDN'T discriminate someone because of their race or gender, and if you do, someone is going to call you out on it. Saida Grundy did it about white people, and Fox News, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, etc., are calling her out on it. Are Fox News the PC Police?

 

So why is it, that if a white professor said the same thing about a black rape victim, it would be the PC Police taking her rights away?

 

I don't understand that.

 

Don Draper's 'story' isn't a hateful indictment of white males. It mirrors history. It starts off in the first season with the death of the cigarette advertisement, almost 15 years after +95% of doctors told us it was a health hazard (boy, does that sound familiar), while corporations continued to muddy the issue so they could sell more cigarettes through advertising agencies and propaganda . It just so happens that at the time, corporations were exclusively run by wealthy white males, and advertising agency executives were made up 'almost' exclusively of wealthy white males.

 

Is it Politically Incorrect to mirror history?

 

And incidentally, despite the cigarette companies having their own research (which was revealed much later, proving the lying scumbags they were) and knowing full well they were selling a health hazard, they LIED to the general public, for sole purpose of selling more of their product.

 

Is it PC to tell the truth? Is it PC to include the truth in a TV show or movie?

 

Funny thing is, that despite all of this, cigarettes today are STILL available to purchase, despite having NO BASIC VALUE FOR ANYTHING. Why? Some would say because there are a handful of long time tobacco prostitute congressmen (pretty much all wealthy white males) who, as long as they serve, will never allow this basically useless product that does nothing but kill people, to go away.

 

Marijuana, which kills NO ONE, is illegal. Cigarettes which kills millions of people a year, you can pretty much buy anywhere.

 

Women didn't make that decision.

 

Is that Politically Incorrect to say? Is the truth Politically Incorrect?

 

And really, Madmen didn't even belabor the point at all... most people who don't remember or choose not to remember, or have forgotten, might have just glossed over it. If they REALLY wanted to make wealthy white corporate males look bad, they could've hammered that whole cigerette issue in every episode.

 

In the 60's, as shown on Madmen, women started to make headway in the business world, though they were met with obstacles. Is that hating on white males? Or is that what happened?

 

Ugh... just don't get it.

 

"But Chuck... they attack from every angle, you can't say anything anymore without...blah blah blah..."

 

I had to stop watching American Dad, Family Guy, and this type of shows during the day, in my store, because some of the stuff they say I didn't think would be appreciated by mom's bringing their kids in. I thought it was funny, but I can see how someone might be offended.

 

Did I censor myself? Or did I just use good business judgement. Is there a name for a white guy zapping himself with Political Correctness?

 

I don't know, I'd just call it common sense.

 

Did people complain about these shows when they first came out? Of course. Did they still play on TV. Yep.

 

So what's the big deal?

 

Is this whole issue about trying to give 'expressing your opinion' a bad name? Isn't our whole society here in America ABOUT being able to express your opinion? Someone doesn't like your art, music, personal opinion, etc. So what. Go live in a bubble.

 

In a nation of 318.9 million people, you do or say something about someone, anyone, well... SOMEONE's going to complain. With social media connecting us all, it just SOUNDS louder. And with wealthy white males running the media, they're going to complain about being picked on the loudest. They're going to make it look like THEY are the one's who are the most picked ON.

 

Gimme a break.

 

If it'll make you feel better, consider this. The stronghold that wealthy white males have on our country is almost impenetrable.

 

I know, I know, you can't smack a woman or fire a black guy without someone raising a ruckus, but 80% of congress is still white males (and 92% Christian!), 96% of corporate CEO's are still white males, the vast majority of lobbyists, who write every law now, are white males, and 6 corporations (run exclusively by white males) own 90% of the media in American. I think in the Forbes 500, there are like, 4% women or something.

 

No matter what talk radio tells you... wealthy white males in America are doing just fine. Heck, this nation was founded by wealthy white males that didn't want to pay their taxes... none of that has really changed.

 

I don't buy your entire premise. There is no such ting as "white privilege". Your entire rant is built on a faulty world view.

 

You're making up stuff. I never said anything about 'white privilege'.

 

And show me one fact in there that is a faulty world view. Where did I speak a lie?

 

 

Sorry, I don't feed Progressive trolls. Have fun baiting somebody else with your distorted view of the world and your obvious inner prejudices and supposed intellectual superiority. I won't waste my time on you. Especially on a comic book message board where there are rules against this type of political conversation. But you don't believe in rules or the rule of law or any of the stuff that made this country so great. Go fight your Progressive revolution on another website. I am done with you.

I do applaud you for not following up with the usual "So, you think you're better than me?"

[Davenport]

Did I censor myself? Or did I just use good business judgement. Is there a name for a white guy zapping himself with Political Correctness?

 

I don't know, I'd just call it common sense.

Why not apply some of that same 'common sense' good judgement to a comic book chatboard? Maybe dial it back on the Zinn/socialist/marxist BS a bit? Maybe go find an appropriate board for your bait&spew diatribes?

 

This isn't the place for it, and you know that.

 

Don't want none, don't start none.

 

It began with:

 

I don't understand why contemporary society has such animosity towards white America. Oh yeah, they keep telling you the white people are privileged. I hate racism in all its forms and this type of attack against white people is racist. i wish the PC police would at least be principled about racism.

 

Which to me was pushing forward an agenda. A weird agenda that I hear a lot on these boards, that I find ridiculous.

 

I replied to it non-politically, addressing each point he made.

 

He couldn't put together a proper rebuttal.

 

I applied more information, made some specific points, non of which are political.

 

Once again, unable to respond or refute anything I said, he turned to name calling.

 

If your argument only stands on the shoulders of what politicians or their cronies tell you, then it's a lie. Guaranteed. I just leave that all out of it.

 

I put my thoughts together through facts. If you can dispute them, do so.

 

If not, I have to assume I'm right.

Actually it began with YOU, the 3rd post in...

 

The quality didn't erode, that's what they trying to show you. It was always a goofy soap opera, they just kicked down the walls, so you could see it better. The illusion of the wealthy white guys so in control of everything played nicely with the marketing, advertising angle - it was an illusion, their excesses and behavior came with consequences - and the more walls that got torn down (literally and figuratively) we saw how it effected everyone they knew and came in contact with.

 

And Howard Zinn isn't political? Please.

 

And you know full well no one can fully engage you without it getting deeply political real fast. So you bait, toss in strawmen, hoping someone with take the bait and get themselves booted.

 

So here's the deal. Heated debates are good and I can't remember ever "hitting the Mod button" since I joined back when. But this is different. The "Mod button" is the only defense since politics aren't allowed. Putting you on 'Ignore' only works when logged in, and even then if someone quotes you your BS becomes visible.

 

So personally I'm going to hit the Mod button from now on. Every time.

 

And I suggest anyone else that sees through your BS do the same. This is not the place, and it's the only defense we have. And also personally I hope you can help yourself, that your common sense kicks in and you self-moderate your urges to indoctrinate us lesser beings.

 

 

[Prince Namor]

Did I censor myself? Or did I just use good business judgement. Is there a name for a white guy zapping himself with Political Correctness?

 

I don't know, I'd just call it common sense.

Why not apply some of that same 'common sense' good judgement to a comic book chatboard? Maybe dial it back on the Zinn/socialist/marxist BS a bit? Maybe go find an appropriate board for your bait&spew diatribes?

 

This isn't the place for it, and you know that.

 

Don't want none, don't start none.

 

It began with:

 

I don't understand why contemporary society has such animosity towards white America. Oh yeah, they keep telling you the white people are privileged. I hate racism in all its forms and this type of attack against white people is racist. i wish the PC police would at least be principled about racism.

 

Which to me was pushing forward an agenda. A weird agenda that I hear a lot on these boards, that I find ridiculous.

 

I replied to it non-politically, addressing each point he made.

 

He couldn't put together a proper rebuttal.

 

I applied more information, made some specific points, non of which are political.

 

Once again, unable to respond or refute anything I said, he turned to name calling.

 

If your argument only stands on the shoulders of what politicians or their cronies tell you, then it's a lie. Guaranteed. I just leave that all out of it.

 

I put my thoughts together through facts. If you can dispute them, do so.

 

If not, I have to assume I'm right.

Actually it started with YOU, the 3rd post in...

 

The quality didn't erode, that's what they trying to show you. It was always a goofy soap opera, they just kicked down the walls, so you could see it better. The illusion of the wealthy white guys so in control of everything played nicely with the marketing, advertising angle - it was an illusion, their excesses and behavior came with consequences - and the more walls that got torn down (literally and figuratively) we saw how it effected everyone they knew and came in contact with.

 

THAT'S political? Please.....PLEASE.... PM me and tell me how that's POLITICAL. Good god. Do you see ghosts everywhere?

 

And Howard Zinn isn't political? Please.

 

Oh I forgot... anyone who disagrees with the 'ideology' is automatically branded. Boy oh boy, pot meet kettle as far PC Police.

 

And you know full well no one can fully engage you without it getting deeply political real fast. So you bait, toss in strawmen, hoping someone with take the bait and get themselves booted.

 

There are no straw men in my argument. Only facts.

 

And I have NO politics. When it comes to politics I'm an atheist. I believe NEITHER side. They both are liars and prostitutes. YOU are the one who repeats propaganda for your masters. Not me. You're ASSUMING I'm something, because I don't fall in line with the BS you post.

 

So here's the deal. Robust debates are fine and I can't remember ever "hitting the Mod button" since I joined back when. But this is different. The "Mod button" is the only defense since politics aren't allowed. Putting you on 'Ignore' only works if you're logged in, and even then if someone quotes you you BS is visible.

 

You didn't even TRY to debate the points I made, you just assumed I was making a political stance. Just because you don't have an opinion that isn't drilled into your head by someone else doesn't mean that I'm the same way.

 

So personally I'm going to hit the Mod button from now on. Every time.

 

Whatever dude. Then I'll hit it the mod button then every time someone brings up PC Police or how the 'white man is a victim' now that I know it's 'political' and the part of some literary dance between Ivy League numbskulls and the pawns of politicians. Fair is fair.

 

And I suggest anyone else that sees through your BS do the same.

 

It's a rally cry. "Someone is trying to speak benign facts that don't agree with our politics that we've twisted it into that aren't allowed!" "Someone is trying to speak benign facts that don't agree with our politics that we've twisted it into that aren't allowed!"

 

This is not the place, and it's the only defense we have.

 

Other than discussing it non-politically, you also have the option to just not respond. But god I love it when you respond, it just gives me so much more to write.

 

And also personally I hope you can help yourself, that your common sense kicks in and you self-discipline your urges to indoctrinate us lesser beings.

 

I NEVER called anyone a lesser being. See now... that's just disingenuous on your part.... me speaking highly of myself, is NOT calling anyone else a lesser being.

 

Ya know Davenport, and I say this sincerely, I'll bet that if we ever met, we'd get along just fine and even be able to discuss this stuff in a rational way, but... I see you're frustration with not being able to let loose with what you really want to say, and so... I'll just let all of this go. I get it. I do.

 

I just want you to know, I in no way was trying to make this political.. don't know if you'll believe that or not... but, seriously, I could care less about politics and all the stupid crud that goes with it. If God or whatever, stopped the Earth and shook it and every single one of those *&%$##'s fell off, the world would be a better place.

 

My agenda is the truth. Not someone's agenda.

[Davenport]

I understand. Mods notified.

[Prince Namor]

I have notified them as well.

[Davenport]

I have notified them as well.

Agreement.

[Prince Namor]

I have notified them as well.

Agreement.

 

See! We can agree.

[chrisco37]

I have notified them as well.

Agreement.

 

See! We can agree.

 

I'll agree that you're both sissies if you really did hit the button.

[revat]

is it politics to debate if something is politics?

[Davenport]

I have notified them as well.

Agreement.

 

See! We can agree.

Hey, it's not personal. And I bet you'd be shocked if I said I consider your tactics a form of bullying. Which I do. But you'd never see that in a million years, but they are. And here's how...

 

Do you think people feel it in their bones when their being maligned? Maybe you have a level of empathy that allows for that, maybe you don't. So anyway, they give voice to it. And you rush in with an avalanche of words and straw man 'facts' to invalidate them. Daring them to try and prove you wrong. Because they're 100% wrong, it can't be done, ego confirmed righteousness prevails.

 

So try this: You take one of your 'facts' and prove that's its irrefutable without getting political. Prove it beyond any doubt whatsoever. No politics. Avalanche away.

 

Because that's the trick, that's the tactic. You put it on them to do the proving. And if they touch the political-rail trying, they're fried. Booted. Outta here.

 

Ant that, friend, is bullying others.

[fantastic_four]

I have notified them as well.

Agreement.

 

See! We can agree.

 

I'll agree that you're both sissies if you really did hit the button.

 

+1

[fantastic_four]

I have notified them as well.

Agreement.

 

See! We can agree.

Hey, it's not personal. And I bet you'd be shocked if I said I consider your tactics a form of bullying. Which I do. But you'd never see that in a million years, but they are. And here's how...

 

Do you think people feel it in their bones when their being maligned? Maybe you have a level of empathy that allows for that, maybe you don't. So anyway, they give voice to it. And you rush in with an avalanche of words and straw man 'facts' to invalidate them. Daring them to try and prove you wrong. Because they're 100% wrong, it can't be done, ego confirmed righteousness prevails.

 

So try this: You take one of your 'facts' and prove that's its irrefutable without getting political. Prove it beyond any doubt whatsoever. No politics. Avalanche away.

 

Because that's the trick, that's the tactic. You put it on them to do the proving. And if they touch the political-rail trying, they're fried. Booted. Outta here.

 

Ant that, friend, is bullying others.

 

[COI]

You guys are discussing an inherently political topic, and are making claims that certain posts are or are not "political", which makes no sense, again, given the inherently political nature of the topic being discussed.

[Prince Namor]

I have notified them as well.

Agreement.

 

See! We can agree.

Hey, it's not personal.

 

I agree.

 

And I bet you'd be shocked if I said I consider your tactics a form of bullying. Which I do. But you'd never see that in a million years, but they are.

 

Oh no. I've heard it before. I just see it as a diversionary tactic when someone can't back up what they say. I have a bad habit of reading forum posts in a monotone computer voice, so nothing ever sounds threatening to me.

 

And here's how...

 

Do you think people feel it in their bones when their being maligned? Maybe you have a level of empathy that allows for that, maybe you don't. So anyway, they give voice to it. And you rush in with an avalanche of words and straw man 'facts' to invalidate them. Daring them to try and prove you wrong. Because they're 100% wrong, it can't be done, ego confirmed righteousness prevails.

 

Who did I malign? And what is this fear of 'words'. An 'avalanche' of words. It's a response to someone else's words.

 

See, it just seems like a diversionary tactic when someone can't back up their point. But yeah, I see if someone think's it's political, it can frustrate them in their response. I guess it's an easy blanket for someone to use when they can't back up their point.

 

So try this: You take one of your 'facts' and prove that's its irrefutable without getting political. Prove it beyond any doubt whatsoever. No politics. Avalanche away.

 

Irrefutable? Are you being facetious?

 

Let's just go with backing up one of my facts with sources, how about that. (Irrefutable.. sheesh...)

 

Let's try this one: "And incidentally, despite the cigarette companies having their own research (which was revealed much later, proving the lying scumbags they were) and knowing full well they were selling a health hazard, they LIED to the general public, for sole purpose of selling more of their product."

 

It's been proven in a court of law, based upon the Justice Department's own investigation, and the cigarette companies have actually agreed in principle on the form of punishment in admitting they lied, though they're still fighting the actual implementation of it. They went back to court in February of this year.

 

But they've given in to denying it. The evidence was overwhelming. Now, they're just fighting the punishment.

 

See. That was easy.

 

Because that's the trick, that's the tactic. You put it on them to do the proving. And if they touch the political-rail trying, they're fried. Booted. Outta here.

 

I just did it. No politics.

 

Ant that, friend, is bullying others.

 

I have no control over the density of people's skin. Really, some people just can't stand to be disagreed with. It's weird world.

[Prince Namor]

You guys are discussing an inherently political topic, and are making claims that certain posts are or are not "political", which makes no sense, again, given the inherently political nature of the topic being discussed.

 

What's political about the history of white males?

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[COI]

You guys are discussing an inherently political topic, and are making claims that certain posts are or are not "political", which makes no sense, again, given the inherently political nature of the topic being discussed.

 

What's political about the history of white males?

 

Any discussion pertaining to the history of a specific group is inherently political because no group in "contemporary society" existed in a vacuum. How a specific group was treated or perceived, what place they had in society, what they could or couldn't do, what power they did or didn't have, and even how history portrays them, is inextricably linked to that group's interactions with other groups. Hence, it's political. Even the term "white male", while it shouldn't be, is politically loaded, because it's most often referenced in political discussions, and is too ambiguous to be used with any sort of accuracy in other contexts.