HeyMoe Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 How much does the foxing on the front cover take away from the grade? This Thor, as you can see, has some foxing on the bottom of the cover. How much drop does this level of foxing do to the grade? (I have a few others that look the same!) Any help grately appreciated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Without the foxing, this book looks to be about a 7.5. With the foxing (to that degree "moderate") I'd say 6.0, 6.5 tops. Does the BC exhibit the same amount? Foxing is a stain, and impacts the grade based on its severity. Tony S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyMoe Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Without the foxing, this book looks to be about a 7.5. With the foxing (to that degree "moderate") I'd say 6.0, 6.5 tops. Does the BC exhibit the same amount? Foxing is a stain, and impacts the grade based on its severity. Sorry, forgot to add mention back cover! Yes, it has the same amount of foxing. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Without the foxing, this book looks to be about a 7.5. With the foxing (to that degree "moderate") I'd say 6.0, 6.5 tops. Does the BC exhibit the same amount? Foxing is a stain, and impacts the grade based on its severity. Sorry, forgot to add mention back cover! Yes, it has the same amount of foxing. Thanks. Then no higher than 6.0, and to those who despise foxing, even lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyMoe Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Without the foxing, this book looks to be about a 7.5. With the foxing (to that degree "moderate") I'd say 6.0, 6.5 tops. Does the BC exhibit the same amount? Foxing is a stain, and impacts the grade based on its severity. Sorry, forgot to add mention back cover! Yes, it has the same amount of foxing. Thanks. Then no higher than 6.0, and to those who despise foxing, even lower. I put it up on ebay last night as a 5.0 (VG/F). The BIN was hit within an hour. Sold for a price I was very happy with. Thanks for info! Tony S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (thumbs u Tony S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjpb Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Without the foxing, this book looks to be about a 7.5. With the foxing (to that degree "moderate") I'd say 6.0, 6.5 tops. Does the BC exhibit the same amount? Foxing is a stain, and impacts the grade based on its severity. Or should. I can't help recall the Avengers #57 from the March grading contest that got an 8.0 from CGC with foxing, that while a bit less prevalent, seemed to have no impact on the grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Doyle Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Rookie question: What exactly is "foxing?" It looks like mold on this book. Is it just discoloration due to dirt, or is it a permanent water-based discoloration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Rookie question: What exactly is "foxing?" It looks like mold on this book. Is it just discoloration due to dirt, or is it a permanent water-based discoloration. Foxing is a stain due to the presence of ferrrous (iron) particles in paper. It occurs over time under various environmental conditions. It does appear to be biologically sourced, but there is some disagreement as to whether the causal organism is a bacterium or a fungus (or both). It occurs throughout publishing history on all kinds of books, manuscripts, etc., incuding comic books. In comics, it more often occurs on cover stock than newsprint, but this may be due primarily to the obvious exposure of covers to air (oxidation). It is a restoration nightmare. Tony S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Doyle Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Thanks, Divad. Know I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budsbundy Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes, thank you I was never entirely sure what foxing was, and the causes of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 is foxing notated in grader notes or does it just say stain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 is foxing notated in grader notes or does it just say stain? They do. i.e. Right Bottom Front Cover Small Crease Breaks Color Spine Foxing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_SandMan Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Although sometimes rather unsightly, but because it doesn't seem to degrade paper quality, I'll still buy a book with it if it's on my "must have" list. Although I would prefer a copy without it. Essentially not taboo for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 is foxing notated in grader notes or does it just say stain? They do. i.e. Right Bottom Front Cover Small Crease Breaks Color Spine Foxing Thanks Joey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 does foxing get worse over time if the book is slab and graded? I am assuming how it is stored would factor but generally speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towards2112 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 There are restorers working with ammonia solutions that remove foxxing to various degrees on several types of papers and inks used in various printing methods. One of the nice things about getting rid of most of the comics I have is that donating a couple hundred to these kids is a real feel good thing. Maybe they can end up with the next formula that will remove the foxxing and leave no trace of it, or any residue behind. Kinda like the pressing arguments of the past decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 9/28/2015 at 11:52 PM, divad said: Without the foxing, this book looks to be about a 7.5. With the foxing (to that degree "moderate") I'd say 6.0, 6.5 tops. Does the BC exhibit the same amount? Foxing is a stain, and impacts the grade based on its severity. Can you tell me where I can read up on CGC's stance on foxing? I've just bought a 9.0 graded and encapsulated by CGC in 2004. It is noted to have "light foxing". I'm curious to know if CGC's attitude toward foxing has toughened up in the last 15 years. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: Can you tell me where I can read up on CGC's stance on foxing? I've just bought a 9.0 graded and encapsulated by CGC in 2004. It is noted to have "light foxing". I'm curious to know if CGC's attitude toward foxing has toughened up in the last 15 years. Thanks No, I can't. I suspect it's tightened up over the years, if only because they are grading more and more newer books that have none. I would have the book re-holdered if that's what you're thinking, not re-graded. Edited June 15, 2019 by divad GreatCaesarsGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabescomics Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 On 10/28/2016 at 6:32 PM, towards2112 said: ...Maybe they can end up with the next formula that will remove the foxxing and leave no trace of it, or any residue behind. Kinda like the pressing arguments of the past decade. Lasers can remove it but those lasers currently cost $30,000+ See https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233833247_Removing_foxing_stains_from_old_paper_at_157_nm RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...