Can Someone Explain Production Art To Me? 1 1

[Michael Browning]

On 8/11/2024 at 10:55 PM, Terry E. Gibbs said:

Yes but it was a 1990 color guide not an 70-80s one. 80s ones are far rarer. Also that colour guide is different from what the " original art", became as it had been changed with a transparency dropped in from earlier int he story. Still can't work out which I like best. So only example of what Carmine had intended and yep to me it is art. Hope you packed it well.

 

[Terry E. Gibbs]

Michael I had heard rumours you had something on the 323 cover. It may be heresy but I prefer that to the original art. (wherever that may be). Thank you so much for sharing.

[brainbats]

On 8/8/2024 at 11:59 AM, BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES said:

That first part is inconsistent with the view that "production art" is not art but "prints" are.  The second part about science is off-point.     

Until very recently, artists who created line drawings for comic covers intended for them to be completed by others into final form and reproduced. They were not intended to be, and weren't regarded as, pieces of art to be displayed in their unfinished form.  

(btw, this whole convo is becoming a prime example of a "talking with a guy who won't let you agree with him".  I tried to agree with you that production art is not really art, and did not expect a detour that prints are Art and the production art is a effectively a science project.  But if we must go down that road I will argue that sometimes, a science project is a work of art, too)

 

Also muddying the waters of the (production art is not art but prints are) argument is that many production art pieces contain touch-ups by the artist (or art director), or were assembled on the page with multiple stats (the way collages are created).  In some cases the production pieces were subsequently signed by the author(s).

 

 

  

 

 

Not Brand Ecch #3 was the first comic I bought, so I went to look up the sale on Heritage, and they have it listed as "presumed stolen"  Do you have it, or did you just take the image off the Heritage site?

Does anyone know if the original cover exists, or just the production piece?

[Michael Browning]

On 8/13/2024 at 12:18 AM, Terry E. Gibbs said:

Michael I had heard rumours you had something on the 323 cover. It may be heresy but I prefer that to the original art. (wherever that may be). Thank you so much for sharing.

It’s in my collection.

[BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES]

On 8/12/2024 at 10:52 PM, brainbats said:

Not Brand Ecch #3 was the first comic I bought, so I went to look up the sale on Heritage, and they have it listed as "presumed stolen"  Do you have it, or did you just take the image off the Heritage site?

Does anyone know if the original cover exists, or just the production piece?

I've never owned that. I took the pic from the heritage site.  Do not know if the OG art exists

[Terry E. Gibbs]

On 8/13/2024 at 9:17 PM, Michael Browning said:

It’s in my collection.

Michael, thank you so much. Yep that is what I had heard. Magnificent. Can't work out whether that or the 174 Rogues cover would be my ultimate Cinf Flash piece.

[Michael Browning]

On 8/13/2024 at 8:57 PM, Terry E. Gibbs said:

Michael, thank you so much. Yep that is what I had heard. Magnificent. Can't work out whether that or the 174 Rogues cover would be my ultimate Cinf Flash piece.

One of these days it will be up for sale, along with all the rest of my art.

[alxjhnsn]

May I recommend a book that is about to be published?

The book is How Comics Were Made: Visual History from the Drawing Board to the Printed Page by Glenn Fleishman. It's not out yet, but it looks fascinating to me.

[Dignity]

On 8/4/2024 at 12:21 AM, BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES said:

The proliferation of fakes has kept the price of actual production art and materials lower than they would be if they were treated like vintage artifacts of the production process.  A vintage piece of production art predates the publication of the comic, so when the price is below that of an entry level example of the comic, I take it as a sign the price may be artificially low.  Here's a few examples of pieces that were produced by Marvel before the book itself was published or hit the stands. 

What is the specific name of the production page on the bottom? The FF cover?

[BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES]

On 9/25/2024 at 1:00 PM, Dignity said:

What is the specific name of the production page on the bottom? The FF cover?

That's a vintage stat of one of the OG unused versions of the FF 52 cover. It was redone several times, apparently.  They liked this version enough that they ran off stats of it, thinking it would be the final, before it was revised yet again for the final final.