kav Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I always thought spider man's most unbelievable power was sticking to walls. I just learned geckos and other criiters stick to walls by electrostatic attraction. A strong enough electrostatic attraction would even work thru his gloves! Of course this is not how spiders stick to walls so it doesnt really explain anything I guess. SkOw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, 01TheDude said: His jumping high and stuff doesnt make sense tho-the only reason insects can do that is due to their light mass and weak gravitational interaction with Earth. A man sized grasshopper wouldn't jump hardly at all. Same with the strength deal. Sure an ant can lift many times it's weight because of the mass issue. A man sized ant wouldnt be able to lift squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, 01TheDude said: think about the movie the FLy-- the more recent one with Goldblum -- his crawling onthe walls doesn't makes sense to me because I think flies are able to do that due to the rough surface of a wall compared to their tiny size. A large man-fly-- would have mostly smooth surface to grip. Thats true of rough surfaces but to walk on glass they have small hairs and exude a sticky film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, 01TheDude said: I did not know about the sticky film-- interesting. I guess The Fly still sort of works-- especially in that movie as he was pretty sticky-gooey most of the time. Spider Man would have been more realistic if he injected venom into small animals that denatures all the protein then sucked out the juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey 62 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, kav said: Spider Man would have been more realistic if he injected venom into small animals that denatures all the protein then sucked out the juice. But what kind of comic would that be? Also, I believe in the first Toby movie it showed the small hairs helping him climb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey 62 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, 01TheDude said: 9 minutes ago, kav said: Spider Man would have been more realistic if he injected venom into small animals that denatures all the protein then sucked out the juice. That is how he killed Gwen Stacy SPOILER ALERT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Spidey 62 said: But what kind of comic would that be? Also, I believe in the first Toby movie it showed the small hairs helping him climb. The hair theory dont work-how did they get thru his boot soles? And they would have gotten tangled in his gloves and been ripped out painfully when he tried to take his gloves off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) His biggest power in that movie is yelling without moving his mouth 1:47 Edited March 8, 2019 by kav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey 62 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, kav said: The hair theory dont work-how did they get thru his boot soles? And they would have gotten tangled in his gloves and been ripped out painfully when he tried to take his gloves off. I don't disagree, but it is what they showed. I don't know exactly how the actual physics could work. Although I do have a book called "the physics of superheroes". It may try to explain it in there. kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzetta Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 45 minutes ago, 01TheDude said: Does Spock know he is holding a Flerken ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Spidey 62 said: I don't disagree, but it is what they showed. I don't know exactly how the actual physics could work. Although I do have a book called "the physics of superheroes". It may try to explain it in there. I read that book-it's pretty unimpressive. Doesnt really explain any more than some teenage comic fans might come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meshuggah Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 hours ago, kav said: I always thought spider man's most unbelievable power was sticking to walls. I just learned geckos and other criiters stick to walls by electrostatic attraction. A strong enough electrostatic attraction would even work thru his gloves! Of course this is not how spiders stick to walls so it doesnt really explain anything I guess. It's just like what makes Superman fly faster or at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze_rules Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) An aside, but, every time I read Spider-Man nowadays, I always think, what the heck would happen if his web fluid ever ran out from lofty heights? Splat. I hope he invented an infinite and 100% reliable web-shooter. I know it's just comics, but, can't dodge that thought. Edited March 8, 2019 by bronze_rules kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Spiders are known to utilize the electrostatic attractions between oppositely-charged materials to cling to various surfaces. For those surfaces that have very low molecular ionic charges, the spider will actually utilize the hydrophobic nature of those materials to adhere their own cellular membranes similar to how oil droplets join together in a watery solution. So for nearly any surface, a spider will use electrostatic and hydrophobic attractions to adhere to nearly any surface. Similar forces result in the "stickyness" of their web. Spider-man's suit actually amplifies these molecular forces by using fine amounts of rare-earth magnets embedded into the threading of the suit especially near the hands and feet. As such, it really comes down to electricity and magnets. Or not. Edited March 8, 2019 by jcjames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, jcjames said: Spiders are known to utilize the electrostatic attractions between oppositely-charged materials to cling to various surfaces. For those surfaces that have very low molecular ionic charges, the spider will actually utilize the hydrophobic nature of those materials to adhere their own cellular membranes similar to how oil droplets join together in a watery solution. So for nearly any surface, a spider will use electrostatic and hydrophobic attractions to adhere to nearly any surface. Similar forces result in the "stickyness" of their web. Spider-man's suit actually amplifies these molecular forces by using fine amounts of rare-earth magnets embedded into the threading of the suit especially near the hands and feet. As such, it really comes down to electricity and magnets. Or not. Spiders utilize settae to cling-not electrostatic attraction. They have a tough time on glass due to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze_rules Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jcjames said: Spiders are known to utilize the electrostatic attractions between oppositely-charged materials to cling to various surfaces. For those surfaces that have very low molecular ionic charges, the spider will actually utilize the hydrophobic nature of those materials to adhere their own cellular membranes similar to how oil droplets join together in a watery solution. So for nearly any surface, a spider will use electrostatic and hydrophobic attractions to adhere to nearly any surface. Similar forces result in the "stickyness" of their web. Spider-man's suit actually amplifies these molecular forces by using fine amounts of rare-earth magnets embedded into the threading of the suit especially near the hands and feet. As such, it really comes down to electricity and magnets. Or not. No theory utilizing a suit's enhancing capabilities can be acceptable. In AF 15, he jumped onto a wall and stuck, sans suit. Now, it is conceivable, I suppose that there are other forces or derivatives of existing forces that we are not aware of. But similar to an insect being able to gradually land without a huge deathly impact (air resistance having greater effect, less force of gravity due to smaller mass), it's the macro/micro scale that messes with most of the insect/man physics theory. Edited March 8, 2019 by bronze_rules kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, kav said: Spiders utilize settae to cling-not electrostatic attraction. They have a tough time on glass due to this. Hence the "or not" qualifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcjames Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, bronze_rules said: No theory utilizing a suit's enhancing capabilities can be acceptable. In AF 15, he jumped onto a wall and stuck, sans suit. Now, it is conceivable, I suppose that there are other forces or derivatives of existing forces that we are not aware of. But similar to an insect being able to gradually land without a huge deathly impact (air resistance having greater effect, less force of gravity due to smaller mass), it's the macro/micro scale that messes with most of the insect/man physics theory. Yeah and I was just throwing stuff out there. Had a little time on my hands and just started BSing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Eventually technology will make virtually any super power feasible. Energy fields, nanotech, bioware etc will allow people to fly, repel bombs, regenerate tissues, see into all wavelengths of the spectrum, etc. bronze_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze_rules Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, kav said: Eventually technology will make virtually any super power feasible. Energy fields, nanotech, bioware etc will allow people to fly, repel bombs, regenerate tissues, see into all wavelengths of the spectrum, etc. I agree with a lot of this. The macro/micro issue still exists though. No matter how we mimic from one scale to another, the laws of physics apply differently in both domains. And acting forces are pretty much fixed, based on the domain. We'd somehow have to augment our organic biology with non-biological systems to overcome things like gravity. I was always blown away to learn that at the sub-atomic level, there are huge air gaps between atoms in molecules. We'd never expect that on the perceived macro scale. Imagine that some day, each genotype/phenotype individual will vary based on wealth... etc.. unfairness will always exist. Some will be more powerful, etc... dominating over others, of course. Edited March 8, 2019 by bronze_rules kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
