Adam: Legend of the Blue Marvel #1 9.8 - Hold? 2 2

[godzilla43]

On 10/29/2023 at 8:20 PM, fastballspecial said:

My local shops have all 4 copies slabbed on want $1.9k for them. They been sitting for
2 years now.

Sad You can buy a issue 1 cgc 9.8 from ebay 750-800$. I would say the real price for the book should be like 200-300$ 9.8 and a high grade raw maybe 40$. Modern book with character that makes pre Disney+ Moon Knight look like a household name.  

Edited October 29, 2023 by godzilla43

[ygogolak]

On 10/29/2023 at 4:48 PM, godzilla43 said:

Sad You can buy a issue 1 cgc 9.8 from ebay 750-800$. I would say the real price for the book should be like 200-300$ 9.8 and a high grade raw maybe 40$. Modern book with character that makes pre Disney+ Moon Knight look like a household name.  

I wish that's how market pricing worked. There are 20 sales this year ranging from $750-$1,200.

 

On 10/28/2023 at 4:40 PM, darkstar said:

Right, which means the topic creator should have sold the book sometime in the past three years, you know when we were in the bubble that you suggested wasn't real.

I never understood why this book sold for what it did and was watching a video on Youtube yesterday where the creator talked about buying up all the available copies whenever he could because the original ones he owned were lost in a flood. Then I came here and did a search for the book and this topic popped up and I thought it perfectly dovetailed with where we currently are. 

When did I say that?

 

On 10/29/2023 at 2:20 PM, fastballspecial said:

Again there is nothing to support the value of the book other than rampart speculation yet. There are plenty of 
books that are just as scarce with 1st appearances that pull anywhere near that value. I think its the greatest con
book in the modern market. My local shops have all 4 copies slabbed on want $1.9k for them. They been sitting for
2 years now.

That's been how the Modern market has worked for 10+ years?

[godzilla43]

On 10/30/2023 at 6:13 PM, ygogolak said:

I wish that's how market pricing worked. There are 20 sales this year ranging from $750-$1,200.

Well that is my opinion about the book. I also see it as a complete hype thing. Like when I searched for the creator youtube video there was also a video about some speculator who started his video saying wow what a great spec this is.. just learned about this character year ago.. yeah this will be worth so much more in the future etc.

Edited October 30, 2023 by godzilla43

[darkstar]

On 10/30/2023 at 11:13 AM, ygogolak said:

 

 

When did I say that?

 

 

When you wrote this in response to another user stating the modern market was in a bubble:

"How long have people been saying that?"

And then the bubble burst...and the book continues to fall in price...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266461731083

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335082197715

[ygogolak]

On 10/30/2023 at 3:07 PM, darkstar said:

When you wrote this in response to another user stating the modern market was in a bubble:

"How long have people been saying that?"

And then the bubble burst...and the book continues to fall in price...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266461731083

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335082197715

And thanks to your graphic we can visually see that when the statement was made it was at the beginning of the pandemic market. Then the pandemic pricing ended. And now it is back to that previous market pricing (where the bubble supposedly was).

The pandemic market is completely different than the market that everyone has been saying was going to crash for the past 10 years. Because, well nobody knew about a pandemic market then.

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by ygogolak

[ygogolak]

On 10/30/2023 at 1:09 PM, godzilla43 said:

Well that is my opinion about the book. I also see it as a complete hype thing. Like when I searched for the creator youtube video there was also a video about some speculator who started his video saying wow what a great spec this is.. just learned about this character year ago.. yeah this will be worth so much more in the future etc.

So you don't know anything about the character then? Not that I'm saying he's worth the current price, but at least I have some knowledge of his integration into the Marvel universe and not a random youtube video. We are in an era where social media is used more and more to discuss comics, speculation, etc... That's something we all have to accept.

[darkstar]

On 10/31/2023 at 2:04 PM, ygogolak said:

And thanks to your graphic we can visually see that when the statement was made it was at the beginning of the pandemic market. Then the pandemic pricing ended. And now it is back to that previous market pricing (where the bubble supposedly was).

The pandemic market is completely different than the market that everyone has been saying was going to crash for the past 10 years. Because, well nobody knew about a pandemic market then.

 

it's. the. same. market.

[godzilla43]

On 10/31/2023 at 9:10 PM, ygogolak said:

So you don't know anything about the character then? Not that I'm saying he's worth the current price, but at least I have some knowledge of his integration into the Marvel universe and not a random youtube video. We are in an era where social media is used more and more to discuss comics, speculation, etc... That's something we all have to accept.

I don't understand how did you come to that conclusion but what I was saying that the first youtube video that I saw was some card guy who seemed kinda unfamiliar with comics but was pushing this book two years ago. Like UXM 130 I have always kinda thought that it was undervalued (I hate that word) like NM copy should be like 100$. It is a 1st appearance of a well know X-men character, lot of 2nd appearances, part of Dark Phoenix Saga etc. well now the book is rising a little because maybe Taylor Swift will make short cameo as Dazzler in Deadpool 3. The speculators are maybe thinking that there will be a CGC signing and after that they will have a great collectible that Taylor Swift fans will pay huge amounts..

Adam Blue Marvel is unknown character, will not appear on future movies/disney+ , no NBA, NFL star is going trick or treating in Adam Blue Marvel costume.. so if Adam Marvel was a great character in some short storyline years ago it does not make his first appearance valuable. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by godzilla43

[ygogolak]

On 11/1/2023 at 2:54 AM, godzilla43 said:

I don't understand how did you come to that conclusion but what I was saying that the first youtube video that I saw was some card guy who seemed kinda unfamiliar with comics but was pushing this book two years ago. Like UXM 130 I have always kinda thought that it was undervalued (I hate that word) like NM copy should be like 100$. It is a 1st appearance of a well know X-men character, lot of 2nd appearances, part of Dark Phoenix Saga etc. well now the book is rising a little because maybe Taylor Swift will make short cameo as Dazzler in Deadpool 3. The speculators are maybe thinking that there will be a CGC signing and after that they will have a great collectible that Taylor Swift fans will pay huge amounts..

Adam Blue Marvel is unknown character, will not appear on future movies/disney+ , no NBA, NFL star is going trick or treating in Adam Blue Marvel costume.. so if Adam Marvel was a great character in some short storyline years ago it does not make his first appearance valuable. 

Because you said you were looking on youtube for information?
Who thinks that Taylor Swift needs to do a CGC signing?
Blue Marvel is not unknown. And thus why I made the comment that you don't know anything about him.

[ygogolak]

On 10/31/2023 at 5:49 PM, darkstar said:

it's. the. same. market.

So the bubble hasn't burst then. Agreed.

[Brock]

I did find a copy of this (raw) in the wild, and sold it pretty quick. I've never understood why this book commands the premium it does... As others have suggested, there are plenty of low print run first appearances over the years that do nothing. Why is this one different? I've yet to hear a convincing, rational explanation for this. Maybe during the bubble the (highly unlikely) potential of appearing in the MCU was a possible driver, but that doesn't really drive prices anymore in the post-pandemic market. Someone above suggested that it was great story. My own opinion was that was distinctly average - but even if I'm a barbarian or a troglodyte with poor taste, when did the quality of the story ever serve to drive a book's price as high as this?

To me, this is the ultimate "Emperor has no clothes" book. YMMV, but I'd love to hear why.

[godzilla43]

On 11/1/2023 at 2:41 PM, ygogolak said:

Because you said you were looking on youtube for information?
Who thinks that Taylor Swift needs to do a CGC signing?
Blue Marvel is not unknown. And thus why I made the comment that you don't know anything about him.

Where did I say that?  I was interested of seeing the video where the creator of the character was saying he is buying all the copies online and I stumbled to watching that speculator video also. I was not looking for some information I could care less how Blue Marvel is selling.

Edited November 1, 2023 by godzilla43

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 11/1/2023 at 8:41 AM, ygogolak said:

Because you said you were looking on youtube for information?
Who thinks that Taylor Swift needs to do a CGC signing?
Blue Marvel is not unknown. And thus why I made the comment that you don't know anything about him.

Blue Marvel may not be *unknown,* but he's certainly not *well known.* 

[WolverineX]

On 11/1/2023 at 11:58 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

Blue Marvel may not be *unknown,* but he's certainly not *well known.* 

Yeah I've never heard of this guy.  

[ygogolak]

On 11/1/2023 at 11:58 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

Blue Marvel may not be *unknown,* but he's certainly not *well known.* 

On 11/1/2023 at 12:39 PM, WolverineX said:

Yeah I've never heard of this guy.  

If you're interested in how the comics may tie to the movies (and speculation), The Ultimates (Vol. 3) and Ultimates II somewhat relate in terms of characters. Blue Marvel is a central character and it also integrates America and Ayo (1st app) who have already appeared in the MCU. Thus why the book is speculated on and relative pricing. It's also a good story.

[ygogolak]

On 11/1/2023 at 10:48 AM, godzilla43 said:

Where did I say that?  I was interested of seeing the video where the creator of the character was saying he is buying all the copies online and I stumbled to watching that speculator video also. I was not looking for some information I could care less how Blue Marvel is selling.

But you do care as that was why you first commented.

[Brock]

On 11/1/2023 at 1:19 PM, ygogolak said:

Blue Marvel is a central character and it also integrates America and Ayo (1st app) who have already appeared in the MCU. Thus why the book is speculated on and relative pricing.

I'm not looking to be contrary here, but this seems like a rather "after the fact" reason for a book to be worth $1000.

I can't imagine that the reason the Blue Marvel book is valued so highly is that he appeared in Ultimates Vol. 3 alongside two minor characters that have already appeared in the MCU. Doesn't that also describe every other character who appears in Ultimates Vol. 3?

Booster Gold and Blue Beetle are both going to be in the James Gunn DCU, and they often cross over with Fire and Ice, who first appeared in the uncollected/low print run Super Friends, but that book hasn't spiked.

The book is definitely valuable, so it has something going for it, but I've yet to hear any convincing reason as to why.

 

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 11/1/2023 at 1:20 PM, ygogolak said:

But you do care as that was why you first commented.

Maybe he just likes arguing on the internet. Maybe we all like arguing on the internet.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 11/1/2023 at 3:52 PM, Brock said:

I'm not looking to be contrary here, but this seems like a rather "after the fact" reason for a book to be worth $1000.

I can't imagine that the reason the Blue Marvel book is valued so highly is that he appeared in Ultimates Vol. 3 alongside two minor characters that have already appeared in the MCU. Doesn't that also describe every other character who appears in Ultimates Vol. 3?

Booster Gold and Blue Beetle are both going to be in the James Gunn DCU, and they often cross over with Fire and Ice, who first appeared in the uncollected/low print run Super Friends, but that book hasn't spiked.

The book is definitely valuable, so it has something going for it, but I've yet to hear any convincing reason as to why.

 

That was my basic point. The current prices seem to have the best case scenario baked into the price. Okay, maybe not *best* case (like, if he was to become the next Deadpool or Wolverine, then $800 for a low-printed first appearance in great), but best *reasonable* case.

[ygogolak]

On 11/1/2023 at 3:52 PM, Brock said:

I'm not looking to be contrary here, but this seems like a rather "after the fact" reason for a book to be worth $1000.

I can't imagine that the reason the Blue Marvel book is valued so highly is that he appeared in Ultimates Vol. 3 alongside two minor characters that have already appeared in the MCU. Doesn't that also describe every other character who appears in Ultimates Vol. 3?

Booster Gold and Blue Beetle are both going to be in the James Gunn DCU, and they often cross over with Fire and Ice, who first appeared in the uncollected/low print run Super Friends, but that book hasn't spiked.

The book is definitely valuable, so it has something going for it, but I've yet to hear any convincing reason as to why.

 

Marvel spec > DC spec for the past 10 years.

Again, I’m not saying the book should be $1,000, I’m explaining why some value it for more than cover price.