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[grapeape]

Ten thousand dollar 3 panel Garfield strips will crash and burn.......

[Guest Race]

We just lived through a redux of the Spanish flu, in two years we're going to top 6,000 in the S&P and then fall off a cliff into a redux of the Depression -- and all asset classes, to include collectibles, will be seriously devalued for at least a decade. I hope everyone is prepared.

On the flip side, that page you've really always wanted will be cheaper.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Race

[Rick2you2]

31 minutes ago, Race said:

We just lived through a redux of the Spanish flu, in two years we're going to top 6,000 in the S&P and then fall off a cliff into a redux of the Depression -- and all asset classes, to include collectibles, will be seriously devalued for at least a decade. I hope everyone is prepared.

On the flip side, that page you've really always wanted will be cheaper.

May be true, but whose gonna crash the worst? Jim Lee? Steranko? Mignola? Sal?

[batman_fan]

On 7/17/2021 at 1:42 PM, Timely said:

I’m going to disagree with your Daredevil example.

Any solid character will have those collectors who will buy pieces they are not nostalgically linked to. Some Golden Age Superman art isn’t all that great artistically but still sells well, and no one remembers buying that stuff as a kid!

 

So 25 years from now Colan Daredevil will be bought and sold at a decent rate just as 40’s art Superman is today.

What will go down to dumpster levels in 25 years are insignificant characters that are barely a blip even today. 

I think Gene's work on Daredevil is top notch myself.

[Rick2you2]

5 hours ago, batman_fan said:

I think Gene's work on Daredevil is top notch myself.

Yes, but how will it hold up price wise, particularly since he is an older artist? Compared to an icon, like Miller, I doubt it. 
Price and quality are very different, once you add nostalgia into the mix.

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Rick2you2

[batman_fan]

On 7/19/2021 at 3:20 AM, Rick2you2 said:

Yes, but how will it hold up price wise, particularly since he is an older artist? Compared to an icon, like Miller, I doubt it. 
Price and quality are very different, once you add nostalgia into the mix.

 

So far, prices have only been going up but who knows how it shakes out. Anyone that reads the early DD stuff will see his work and the style of it and I think they will fall in love with it. Sure he is no Sal or John Buscema but who is? 

[Rick2you2]

On 7/19/2021 at 9:41 AM, batman_fan said:

So far, prices have only been going up but who knows how it shakes out. Anyone that reads the early DD stuff will see his work and the style of it and I think they will fall in love with it. Sure he is no Sal or John Buscema but who is? 

For our generation(s). Prices don’t move in monolithic blocks, with at least some art from the 1990’s apparently increasing in value more quickly than the older stuff (excluding icons/hi interest pieces). Personally, on the right subjects, I like him better than the Buscema’s, but that doesn’t mean the newer kids will spend that type of money—even on Sal or John. 

[PhilipB2k17]

On 7/18/2021 at 5:01 PM, Race said:

We just lived through a redux of the Spanish flu, in two years we're going to top 6,000 in the S&P and then fall off a cliff into a redux of the Depression -- and all asset classes, to include collectibles, will be seriously devalued for at least a decade. I hope everyone is prepared.

On the flip side, that page you've really always wanted will be cheaper.

Not unless we massively retract the money supply by pegging the dollar to the price of gold. 

[PhilipB2k17]

On 7/18/2021 at 5:34 PM, Rick2you2 said:

May be true, but whose gonna crash the worst? Jim Lee? Steranko? Mignola? Sal?

Lee. See, Adam’s, Neal. Sal has far less height to fall from. 

Edited July 19, 2021 by PhilipB2k17

[PhilipB2k17]

On 7/18/2021 at 3:53 AM, MyNameIsLegion said:

challenge accepted!   All Trimpe, from Savage Tales vol 2. And I've seen this in person, and it looks even better. Now compare that to his FF Unlimited in the early 90's where he was directed to ape Rob Liefeld, that's another story...

Trimpe also did the pencils for the beautiful Machine Man mini series. 

[vodou]

On 7/19/2021 at 12:31 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

Trimpe also did the pencils for the beautiful Machine Man mini series. 

AKA an excellent BWS comic  

Whatever Trimpe contributed is barely there in final form...perfecto!

[exitmusicblue]

Anything by the comics-as-porn peddler-creators.

[Peter L]

On 7/17/2021 at 2:19 PM, grapeape said:

Ok I wish we could talk ebay because our pal Blastaar might have something to say

Alex Ross........

He’s prolific. When he hit the scene everyone agreed (at least it seems that way) that he was an awesome talent. His paintings sold for four figures and his drawings were $500-$2000.

Now for quite awhile with Sal as rep his art at minimum seems to leave the factory at $20K minimum.

If you bought early like Marvels etc you have done really well. So going with Rick2you2 let’s just throw it out there.

IS ALEX ROSS BAD ART? 😱 

If you buy a $20K plus painting is that going up for a nice return later on? Or did you buy in to a Kincade type marketing genius? Are you stuck without high demand resale? Is Alex Ross a blue chip destined for the basement?

Is that what you mean Rick2you2?

 

I don't think Alex Ross is bad art from an appreciation or value holding point of view. 

I think the Kincade art is a poor comparison.  People bought Kincade with his upcharge for illuminated highlights on prints at the Kincade mall stores, but those were for prints and not originals.  Don't conflate Kincade marketing with the big Alex Ross con booth.  In the last 20 years, only about 5-10 pages of Marvels and Kingdom Come have hit the market.  And maybe only the Marvel TP cover.  All the rest are locked up in black hole collections.  When his major character art is available, it usually goes through auction houses for high prices.  There just isn't that much of his art that has left Sal's hands floating around.  I inquire a lot and most of his really great pieces have unknown owners.  

If art goes up after 30 years due to nostalgia, we haven't even reached 30 years since Alex Ross reached his current art style or his major works.  I think just from a visceral point of view, Alex Ross' art are impressive in person more than the printed page.  When I asked Scott at IDW why there are no Alex Ross books, he said because they can't get the quality they want in printing.  I don't think the huge 5 pound Marvels hardcover does the original art justice.  I see Ross art as good as anything from the last century that appears in the Heritage Illustration Art auctions.  If those pulp and men's magazine illustration art holds its value, I see Ross' work solid in its value.

So Alex Ross' art isn't for everyone but I see him as the one artist in the last 30 years that transcends the medium.

[pemart1966]

Anything by Frank Robbins...

[vodou]

On 7/19/2021 at 7:50 PM, Peter L said:

If those pulp and men's magazine illustration art holds its value, I see Ross' work solid in its value.

You were doing well until here. Pulp and Men's Sweat categories are sliding lower every year. The exceptions are the few pieces each sale that aren't.

[grapeape]

On 7/19/2021 at 4:50 PM, Peter L said:

I don't think Alex Ross is bad art from an appreciation or value holding point of view. 

I think the Kincade art is a poor comparison.  People bought Kincade with his upcharge for illuminated highlights on prints at the Kincade mall stores, but those were for prints and not originals.  Don't conflate Kincade marketing with the big Alex Ross con booth.  In the last 20 years, only about 5-10 pages of Marvels and Kingdom Come have hit the market.  And maybe only the Marvel TP cover.  All the rest are locked up in black hole collections.  When his major character art is available, it usually goes through auction houses for high prices.  There just isn't that much of his art that has left Sal's hands floating around.  I inquire a lot and most of his really great pieces have unknown owners.  

If art goes up after 30 years due to nostalgia, we haven't even reached 30 years since Alex Ross reached his current art style or his major works.  I think just from a visceral point of view, Alex Ross' art are impressive in person more than the printed page.  When I asked Scott at IDW why there are no Alex Ross books, he said because they can't get the quality they want in printing.  I don't think the huge 5 pound Marvels hardcover does the original art justice.  I see Ross art as good as anything from the last century that appears in the Heritage Illustration Art auctions.  If those pulp and men's magazine illustration art holds its value, I see Ross' work solid in its value.

So Alex Ross' art isn't for everyone but I see him as the one artist in the last 30 years that transcends the medium.

Peter L it’s easy to defend Alex Ross. The exercise is to find art artists whose work could go down in the future. Alex deserves consideration simply because he’s enjoyed a long run of selling art at a high value. All good things come to an end?

That includes sacred cows like Ross. The Kincade reference is ‘marketing’ only (not process) that is marketing price points arrived at by  IDK. There’s a Spider-Man painted cover on site right now for $25K. If I buy that is it $50K in ten years? $75K in twenty years? Or will I have to let it sit  with an inquire tag (and get lowball offers? A best offer tag? Or will it sell for less?

See I think buying a painting like that is like buying a boat. I may get much pleasure from it. Not everyone can buy a boat. But I probably won’t get my money back. Am I wrong?

I addressed Alex’s superb Marvels work and agree that will always be organically desired and paid up for.

What I’m suggesting for the sake of this discussion is will the bulk of  Alex’s painted work as a whole really maintain value let alone increase? If you take any of the paintings currently on the website for sale and put them up for auction would they consistently approach his asking prices? What about after many many more are painted over the years.

So Peter just so I’m not the only one hanging out here ( I like Alex by the way) who do you think will go down in value and why?

[PhilipB2k17]

Comic books are going the way of sport cards in the 90’s. Gonna be a hard crash when nobody wants all those low ratio variant covers.

Original art will not falter as a market. The pieces are unique. They’re not Beanie Babies. 

[Bronty]

On 7/19/2021 at 9:49 PM, grapeape said:

Peter L it’s easy to defend Alex Ross. The exercise is to find art artists whose work could go down in the future. Alex deserves consideration simply because he’s enjoyed a long run of selling art at a high value. All good things come to an end?

That includes sacred cows like Ross. The Kincade reference is ‘marketing’ only (not process) that is marketing price points arrived at by  IDK. There’s a Spider-Man painted cover on site right now for $25K. If I buy that is it $50K in ten years? $75K in twenty years? Or will I have to let it sit  with an inquire tag (and get lowball offers? A best offer tag? Or will it sell for less?

See I think buying a painting like that is like buying a boat. I may get much pleasure from it. Not everyone can buy a boat. But I probably won’t get my money back. Am I wrong?

I addressed Alex’s superb Marvels work and agree that will always be organically desired and paid up for.

What I’m suggesting for the sake of this discussion is will the bulk of  Alex’s painted work as a whole really maintain value let alone increase? If you take any of the paintings currently on the website for sale and put them up for auction would they consistently approach his asking prices? What about after many many more are painted over the years.

So Peter just so I’m not the only one hanging out here ( I like Alex by the way) who do you think will go down in value and why?

Hard to compare site asking prices for one artist to auction results for others.  
 

Ive never been a big fan of his aesthetic but I understand why he has his fans.  
 

In the long run content will win out over style  and aesthetics for almost all of these guys because the initial audience will age out.  
 50 years from now relatively few names will be remembered so a B artist and a C artist might be priced the same way:  on the published content . 
 

So I wouldn’t expect a page by Ross with mediocre content to do well as I’d argue he’s a big name but not a transcendent one.  
 

A page / cover with really desirable content?   Maybe

Edited July 20, 2021 by Bronty

[Rick2you2]

On 7/19/2021 at 2:19 PM, exitmusicblue said:

Anything by the comics-as-porn peddler-creators.

Ah, European art.

[exitmusicblue]

On 7/20/2021 at 5:36 PM, Rick2you2 said:

Ah, European art.

Most of the examples I've seen (littering ebay) are from non-European sources...