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[Math Teacher]

Here is my copy of Fantastic Four #16. It is my goal to have FF #1 - #20 in CGC-graded slabs. Currently, I have issues #1 - #10 and #12 in slabs; also, issue #13 is currently at CFP, before heading to CGC. With your help, I hope to determine if my remaining issues are slab worthy.

 

Here are the issues as I see them:

There is chipping and a few slight tears along the right-hand side of the front cover. There is a sun shadow at the upper right-hand corner of the front cover. There are some creases near the spine, some color-breaking and some non-color-breaking. There is damage at the bottom left-hand corner of the front cover. It actually looks like a water stain, but it doesn’t penetrate to any of the inside pages.

 

The sun shadow really puts a damper on what would otherwise be a very solid book. What are your thoughts? Thank you so much for your time and consideration.

[grendelbo]

5.0/5.5

Thanks for sharing.

[Math Teacher]

Thank you, @grendelbo. Isn't there anyone else that has an opinion? @FoggyNelson, @1950's war comics, @Randall Ries, @frozentundraguy, @I Am The Answer!, @Galen130, @KCOComics, or @Funnybooks, surely at least one of you can share your thoughts. I always trust your opinions.

Thank you!

[1950's war comics]

wow ! faded a bit but a nice and flat copy that looks unread , i think this one is a CGC 6.0 

[frozentundraguy]

I too thought 6.0/6.5 at first glance, but that sun shadow on the top right of the front cover would bring it down to about a 4.5 IMHO.  Still a nice looking book though.

Spoiler

I'm thinking what a stain on the back cover of my copy of Flash 138 did, and the back cover of my copy of Tales to Astonish 23.

 

[Randall Ries]

On 12/29/2021 at 8:15 AM, Math Teacher said:

Thank you, @grendelbo. Isn't there anyone else that has an opinion? @FoggyNelson, @1950's war comics, @Randall Ries, @frozentundraguy, @I Am The Answer!, @Galen130, @KCOComics, or @Funnybooks, surely at least one of you can share your thoughts. I always trust your opinions.

Thank you!

I would go 4.5 because of the general fade but mostly because of the upper right FC.

[Funnybooks]

tough one...

my initial reaction to the technical grade was a 5.5 but then the fading became distracting enough to bring the grade down into "vg territory"  so I split the difference at a strong 4.5 or a weak 5.0 since it does present quite well.

Edited December 29, 2021 by Funnybooks

[Funnybooks]

Here's an example of a voldy graded 6.0 with similar edge wear without the sun shadow and the softer lower spine corner....

[KCOComics]

I think 4.5/5.0 feels about right. 

It is a very clean book and when I first looked, I was thinking F. But I think the accumulation of defects.. the edge wear, the bottom corners and the sun shadow will bring it down a bit. 

[Funnybooks]

On 12/29/2021 at 12:11 PM, KCOComics said:

I think 4.5/5.0 feels about right. 

It is a very clean book and when I first looked, I was thinking F. But I think the accumulation of defects.. the edge wear, the bottom corners and the sun shadow will bring it down a bit. 

how about 5.0 with a QES sticker? 

[FoggyNelson]

I’m seeing favorably a 5.0-5.5👍‼️😷

[FoggyNelson]

I don’t think CGC hammers dust shadows very hard🎄

[Funnybooks]

On 12/29/2021 at 12:39 PM, FoggyNelson said:

I’m seeing favorably a 5.0-5.5👍‼️😷

would not be surprised at all....

would any one of us purchase this copy if priced at market 4.5?

would any one of us purchase this copy if priced at market 5.5?

given other comparably priced copies in grade?

 

I think that's how I would approach assigning a grade...

 

[Funnybooks]

On 12/29/2021 at 12:40 PM, FoggyNelson said:

I don’t think CGC hammers dust shadows very hard🎄

CgC seems wildly inconsistent with dust shadows...I wish they would be transparent about how they approach grading books.

[grendelbo]

On 12/29/2021 at 11:05 AM, Funnybooks said:

I wish they would be transparent about how they approach grading books.

[The Lions Den]

On 12/29/2021 at 1:05 PM, Funnybooks said:

CgC seems wildly inconsistent with dust shadows...I wish they would be transparent about how they approach grading books.

If you eliminate what it can't be you're left with what it must be...  

[grendelbo]

On 12/29/2021 at 11:20 AM, The Lions Den said:

If you eliminate what it can't be you're left with what it must be...  

Reverse engineering.

It worked well for this guy.

[Funnybooks]

[I Am The Answer!]

The Answer is: 5.0.  Too many defects for me to go any higher.  Still a nice looking book! 

[Galen130]

5.5

CGC’s grading these days is not what it was even a year ago.  Some of us are calling grades with noticeable defects that come back as a 9.8 (example Modern), so my personal grading skills don’t seem to coincide with the current establishment.  Let’s see what happens with older books like this one…