How does this get an Blue label?

[DCman]

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If the staples are cleaned or replaced, the book is considered restored or qualified. But if you remove the staples and then put two new staples straight through the book this is considered unrestored??

[skybolt]

Which begs the question why this book didn't get the same treatment:

 

[skybolt]

The only thing I can think of is that CGC would allow staple replacement in lower grades.

[DCman]

So what is the grade cut off, where one could get away with a blue label? VG ? FN?

[skybolt]

So what is the grade cut off, where one could get away with a blue label? VG ? FN?

 

I'm not sure, but I think it's VG and below.

[VintageComics]

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If the staples are cleaned or replaced, the book is considered restored or qualified. But if you remove the staples and then put two new staples straight through the book this is considered unrestored??

 

Why are you looking at Marvels DC man?

 

seriously, I think that it would be considered something akin to writing, staining etc. where something is added to the comic, but because of the already low grade of the book, the grade is not affected.

 

Now on the second GA book you show, would you rather have it slabbed as a Qualified 8.0 (nice copy not worthy of a PLOD) or a blue label VG?

I'd go with the Q label myself. Shows how nice the book actually is.

 

R.

[Wally's Comics]

How does this get an Blue label?

 

easy.

 

With the 2 "cherry on top" benjamins that were slid into the front of

the book by the guy submitting it.

 

It's amazing what a little wallet padding will do, huh?

 

 

[Sal]

Which begs the question why this book didn't get the same treatment:

 

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maybe this book didn't get vintage staples.

 

 

staple replacement is allowed up to VF

 

 

until i see the top of the slab for that ASM 1, i won't believe it's a blue slab because i am a paranoid mofo-er

[action1kid]

I dont know what the rules are but if you put new staples in a vintage book, that book is restored in my mind.100%

[skybolt]

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If the staples are cleaned or replaced, the book is considered restored or qualified. But if you remove the staples and then put two new staples straight through the book this is considered unrestored??

 

Why are you looking at Marvels DC man?

 

seriously, I think that it would be considered something akin to writing, staining etc. where something is added to the comic, but because of the already low grade of the book, the grade is not affected.

 

Now on the second GA book you show, would you rather have it slabbed as a Qualified 8.0 (nice copy not worthy of a PLOD) or a blue label VG?

I'd go with the Q label myself. Shows how nice the book actually is.

 

R.

 

Or I could just remove the 2 additional staples (since the original middle one is still intact), and get a 7.0 blue label.

 

I personally don't mind the green label if it's something minor.

[DCman]

I doubt staple replacement is allowable up to VF. If that were the case, why would anyone have the staples cleaned, knowing this would lead to a qualified grade. They would be better off removing them and slamming new ones into the edge.

[Vtcomics]

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If the staples are cleaned or replaced, the book is considered restored or qualified. But if you remove the staples and then put two new staples straight through the book this is considered unrestored??

 

I was just looking at that too! Very odd; I am very surprised they gave that a blue label!!

[MutantKeys]

I dont know what the rules are but if you put new staples in a vintage book, that book is restored in my mind.100%

I agree 100%...

[VintageComics]

Dudes, this is not a restored book. There was no attempt to make it look like original to raise it's value. Some kid restapled these books so they could be read another 100 times (kinda neat in my mind. The books were probably good reads)...the fact that some books get a QL and others a BL is just a judgement on the part of CGC. So in the case of the Fight comics, they could have given the book a VG BL (or whatever grade it deserved for the defacement) but probably opted for a VF QL. The are NOT replaced staples. They are RE staples.

R.

[FFB]

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If the staples are cleaned or replaced, the book is considered restored or qualified. But if you remove the staples and then put two new staples straight through the book this is considered unrestored??

 

I think the answer is that on the ASM#1, they just considered the extra staples and missing original staples to be damage and graded the book accordingly. The book looks much nicer than 4.0, so it took a big hit from the missing staples and from the added staples, and the damage caused by the added staples is probably graded the same way a book is graded when it has aftermarket staple holes through the entire book but the aftermarket staples have been removed. With the original staples missing, I am a little surprised it graded as high as it did, but since the added staples are obviously not original material nor inserted to mimic original material, I have no problem with CGC treating them as a defect rather than as staple replacement.

 

As for the GA book with the green label, it appears as though CGC graded the book the same way -- they treated the added staples as a defect, and then used the green label to give the book the "qualified" grade that it would have gotten if not for the staples. The difference between the two books is that the GA book still has its original staples and so is still (apart from the added staples) high enough grade to warrant a green label.

 

Make sense?

[FFB]

Which begs the question why this book didn't get the same treatment:

 

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maybe this book didn't get vintage staples.

 

 

staple replacement is allowed up to VF

 

 

until i see the top of the slab for that ASM 1, i won't believe it's a blue slab because i am a paranoid mofo-er

 

Under the Overstreet Grading Guide's standards, you can replace with any staples (vintage or not) up to the Fine level, and if vintage staples are used, you can get up to NM 9.4.

[FFB]

I dont know what the rules are but if you put new staples in a vintage book, that book is restored in my mind.100%

 

I agree with you if the staples are added to the places where the old staples used to be, but if they are put elsewhere, I consider them to be damage -- pinholes all the way through the book.

[FFB]

I doubt staple replacement is allowable up to VF. If that were the case, why would anyone have the staples cleaned, knowing this would lead to a qualified grade. They would be better off removing them and slamming new ones into the edge.

 

There's a difference between what Overstreet's standards allow and what CGC allows. Overstreet allows books with staple replacement with non-vintage staples to grade as high as Fine. There is no discussion (at least in the second edition of the grading guide) about whether staple replacement is restoration. Overstreet allows books with staple replacement with vintage staples to grade as high as NM 9.4.

 

CGC gives such books the apparent grade with a green label and notes the staple replacement or cleaning on the label.

[skybolt]

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If the staples are cleaned or replaced, the book is considered restored or qualified. But if you remove the staples and then put two new staples straight through the book this is considered unrestored??

 

I think the answer is that on the ASM#1, they just considered the extra staples and missing original staples to be damage and graded the book accordingly. The book looks much nicer than 4.0, so it took a big hit from the missing staples and from the added staples, and the damage caused by the added staples is probably graded the same way a book is graded when it has aftermarket staple holes through the entire book but the aftermarket staples have been removed. With the original staples missing, I am a little surprised it graded as high as it did, but since the added staples are obviously not original material nor inserted to mimic original material, I have no problem with CGC treating them as a defect rather than as staple replacement.

 

As for the GA book with the green label, it appears as though CGC graded the book the same way -- they treated the added staples as a defect, and then used the green label to give the book the "qualified" grade that it would have gotten if not for the staples. The difference between the two books is that the GA book still has its original staples and so is still (apart from the added staples) high enough grade to warrant a green label.

 

Make sense?

 

Yup.

[Ze-man]

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Is it just me or does the LRC on the BC appear to have SCS?

 

Ze-