BB-Gun Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 CW, That was interesting. A recreation can be almost an exact copy but an original drawing would probably have some changes. You are probably right that it is not original but did Bud do the original or BZ? bb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy-D Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Hah! Whoever the artist was even got the panel borders between his nose and body! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selegue Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 That is the issue but I think my copy is in better shape. Some of the Click issues that I have are a little fragile but this one should survive a little longer. I still haven't identified the Four Color issue that has the origin of the Jeep story. Strip is August 9, 1936 Four Color Series 1 #25 reprints Thimble Theatre 1935 - 1937, so it's almost certainly in there. It's not in any of the series 2 books, as far as I know. JPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-Gun Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 That is the issue but I think my copy is in better shape. Some of the Click issues that I have are a little fragile but this one should survive a little longer. I still haven't identified the Four Color issue that has the origin of the Jeep story. Strip is August 9, 1936 Four Color Series 1 #25 reprints Thimble Theatre 1935 - 1937, so it's almost certainly in there. It's not in any of the series 2 books, as far as I know. JPS I think you are right about the issue number but I would like a confirmation. 1936 would make it a Segar original wouldn't it or did BZ do some earlier ghosting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-Gun Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) To answer my own question, Segar was ill for a couple of years before his death and was ghosted by Doc Winner in 1937 and 1938. This was before BZ. I suspect Doc had a hand in helping at early times too, but the Jeep should be a creation of Segar. Any other thoughts? bb Reference Popeye by Fred Grandinetti Edited September 19, 2009 by BB-Gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheezyWhiz Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Hah! Whoever the artist was even got the panel borders between his nose and body! Speedy, indeed! It took me a couple days and another pair of eyes to notice that detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 That same illo of Eugene the Jeep was used in the 1937 book, Popeye and His Jungle Pet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 There wasn't a great deal of variety in some of the Popeye cover illustrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheezyWhiz Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 There wasn't a great deal of variety in some of the Popeye cover illustrations. Haven't seen this one before. Let me know if you decide to part with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheezyWhiz Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 That same illo of Eugene the Jeep was used in the 1937 book, Popeye and His Jungle Pet. Nice catch! That lends credence to a theory my friend and I had.. that someone in an art department may have been asked to enlarge the original Jeep image for use in another book or an advertisement. I doubt that it was Sagendorf though. Why would he sign something that was a blatant rip-off when he was perfectly capable of drawing the Jeep from scratch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 That Jeep might not be an original Sagendorf drawing, but this one is. Another weird thing about the Jeep drawing is that the signature at the bottom appears to have a misspelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 Very nice! Do you own that drawing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 To answer my own question, Segar was ill for a couple of years before his death and was ghosted by Doc Winner in 1937 and 1938. This was before BZ. I suspect Doc had a hand in helping at early times too, but the Jeep should be a creation of Segar. Reference Popeye by Fred Grandinetti I wasn't familiar with Grandinetti's book so I did a search. You can see a preview of it on Google Books: Link P.S. In case anyone was wondering: When BB referred to "BZ" he meant Popeye artist Bela Zaboly, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 Haven't seen this one before. Let me know if you decide to part with it. Okay. It's a large size coloring book: 9¾ x 14½" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I LOVE HOW THE FIRST ROBOT HERE IS CROSSEYED. THE HOMAGE FIXED THAT. caps lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Very nice! Do you own that drawing? Why yes I do BZ. It is hanging in my comic room just above the Capt Kirk chair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiverbones Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 The jeep is one of the most perfect creations ever. How can you not love him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 The jeep is one of the most perfect creations ever. Is he more perfect than a Shmoo? From Wikipedia: They reproduce asexually and are very prolific. They require no sustenance other than air. Naturally gentle, they require minimal care, and are ideal playmates for young children. Shmoos are delicious to eat, and are eager to be eaten. If a human looks at one hungrily, it will happily immolate itself, either by jumping into a frying pan, after which they taste like chicken, or into a broiling pan, after which they taste like steak. When roasted they taste like pork, and when baked they taste like catfish. (Raw, they taste like oysters on the half-shell.) They also produce eggs (neatly packaged), milk (bottled grade-A), and butter — no churning required. Their pelts make perfect bootleather or house timber, depending on how thick you slice it. They have no bones, so there's absolutely no waste. Their eyes make the best suspender buttons, and their whiskers make perfect toothpicks. In short, they are simply the perfect ideal of a subsistence agricultural herd animal. The frolicking of shmoon is so entertaining (such as their staged "shmoosical comedies") that people no longer feel the need to watch television or go to the movies. Shmoo Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 Why yes I do BZ. It is hanging in my comic room just above the Capt Kirk chair Capt Kirk chair! Can we see a photo of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerKid Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 The jeep is one of the most perfect creations ever. Is he more perfect than a Shmoo? From Wikipedia: They reproduce asexually and are very prolific. They require no sustenance other than air. Naturally gentle, they require minimal care, and are ideal playmates for young children. Shmoos are delicious to eat, and are eager to be eaten. If a human looks at one hungrily, it will happily immolate itself, either by jumping into a frying pan, after which they taste like chicken, or into a broiling pan, after which they taste like steak. When roasted they taste like pork, and when baked they taste like catfish. (Raw, they taste like oysters on the half-shell.) They also produce eggs (neatly packaged), milk (bottled grade-A), and butter — no churning required. Their pelts make perfect bootleather or house timber, depending on how thick you slice it. They have no bones, so there's absolutely no waste. Their eyes make the best suspender buttons, and their whiskers make perfect toothpicks. In short, they are simply the perfect ideal of a subsistence agricultural herd animal. The frolicking of shmoon is so entertaining (such as their staged "shmoosical comedies") that people no longer feel the need to watch television or go to the movies. Shmoo Link To heck with alpacas, I'm gonna raise schmoos. I had no idea they were so perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
