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The Overstreet price guide is a historical price guide and is supposedly designed to report on prices for the previous year. And so, in this sense, they are bang on in terms of the valuation for Batman 635, which I would actually find surprising since he generally like to see a consolidation in prices before putting them into the price guide. They are not like the old highly hyped and speculative Wizard "Price" Guide which really tries more to set the prices for the current marketplace, as opposed to actually reporting on them. Especially when they were caught with their pants down more than once by"reporting" high valuations on supposedly hot books that had not yet even been distributed due either to creator deadline or shipping problems.

To be fair though, a 9.2 would sell for way above the NM- price (even after a $4k jump this year). Same could be said for every DC on that list really. +1 I've always thought that the LSH run and Adv 247 in particular was a highly underappreciated and undervalued SA run. Maybe this little jump also has a bit to do with TV hype since Mon-el was pretty well a fixture on this current season of Supergirl. So, you never know who else might pop up in the near future since there is a whole stable of characters which DC can draw upon right from the LSH itself.

Knowing what we all know now about how all of the auction results went down in the end, I believe there's a lot of us that would like to go back and bid on books that we ended up missing on.

Congrats on a nice pickup at what I would consider to be a very good price. I believe I may have been the under bidder on this particular book, but decided to stop and save my ammo for a couple of the later Wonderworld's instead.

Solar 10 first printing has always been high when it comes to a 9.8 example. Then it nosedives down at the lower grades. So hopefully news like this helps bring more attention to this book. Yes, strongly doubt that this book will go Boom at anything less than in uber HG condition. Especially considering that this book had a relatively high print run as Valiant books were already pegged by speculators as the hot books to get by that time. Hence, if I remember correctly, this book deemed as special prior to coming out and was hoarded in huge numbers, similar to what happened with Magnus 12 which introduced Turok into the Valiant universe.

JLA #75 is up because of Black Canary, not Green Arrow. According to Overstreet, it looks as though the Black Canary joined the JLA in the previous issue, namely JLA #74.

+1 You definitely won't get any argument from me at all with any of the names on the above list.

If you squint at the HA.com pics in the catalog on the same page is Mister Magik's Iron Man #1 slabbed 9.6 that has a deeper color strike (or better preservation?) compared to the Iron Man #1 Cgc 9.8 wht to off-wht pgs next to it. fyi, HA.com is saving Magik's Silver Surfer #4 slabbed 9.8 for the Nov, 2017 Signature auction. Yes indeed, Magik always talks about the preservation of his books and how the depth of the colors for his books are just so much brighter and deeper than other similarly graded copies. Unfortunately for Magik, I believe that both of the grading companies do not place that high of a value on depth of color and tend to focus more on the other technical defects inherent with a book. As a result, collectors tend to pay much more attention to the big number on the top left corner of the slab, as opposed to how deep and bright the colors are. Unless they are fading, of course, which is a non-starter for most collectors. There are some collectors such as Steve C. who does pay attention to this color depth factor, and that is why in almost all cases, the books in their collection will just pop due to the bright and deep colors.

Why, did you not see the linked video featuring both Adams and Nelson hyping the book in the post just above yours? Reminds me very much about the video which the same two characters put out hyping their discovery and find for the Action 1: https://bigcomicpage.com/2014/08/25/action-comics-1-cgc-9-0-auction-is-over-and-has-smashed-records/ Are you trying to imply that there's possibly more to the history of these 2 WW related books than what the video is actually showing, similar to what we finally found out about the Action 1?

Wow, all of this analysis and research must have taken some time and work. You are definitely right about the Tomahawk 116 with the classic Adams cover and 'Tec 359 with the first Batgirl because both of these books have been extremely hot. Especially with the Tomahawk by Adams being truly as rare as hen's teeth to track down and long overdue for this type of increase.

Well....I didn't actually order mine until this weekend. Oh, now that makes sense. Anyways, it looks like the 2 biggest absolute dollar gainers on Overstreet's SA Top 50 Chart was AF 15 which went up by $90K from $260K up to $350K, and then followed by Hulk 1 which went from $180K up to $240K for a $60K increase in valuation. Definitely no surprise here with these 2 books. The 2 biggest percentage gainers were both at 43% and they were Action 242 which went up form $14K up to $20K and also TTA 13 which went from $5,600 up to $8,000.

Okay, since yours is not getting here until Wednesday. Took a quick look at the SA Top 10 rankings and it looks like there are no changes except that TOS 39 has now caught up to X-Men 1 with both of them tied for 9th spot at $48K.

Wow, that is an well thought out and detailed response. I would agree with you that what we are seeing right now might just indeed be the new norm for now. That last part is critical because as we have seen in the past before, grading standards will change whenever there is a new grading team and head grader in place. This is totally understandable as everybody has certain defects they really hate on a book and other defects that they don't mind as much, and not all the graders think alike. It's just up to us as submittors to try figure out how the unpublished standards are changing whenever there are new personnel in place. And as we have also seen on other previous occasions before, if the business agenda is to switch again to encourage more resubmits in order to generate more revenue, the grading standards will be lowered ever so slightly that upgrades will be noticeable. It should be noted that this last point is really more of a conspiracy theory than anything else since it is something that can definitely not be proven. Of course, it could also be due to nothing more than bad or inconsistent grading which is always possible since grading is really nothing more than an opinion and still more of an art as opposed to an actual science.

Why is Amazon 2 full weeks behind on their shipping? Aren't they supposed to have same day delivery for the major city centres and I would expect not much longer than that for the rest of the country?

Since the CC auction, WW has turned into the biggest DC movie franchise, the only one that can hold its own against Marvel. And it's being offered as part of the ultimate WW comic set. So it seems like it might be a worthwhile gamble. It doesn't have to be Wonder Woman or a matter of waiting several months to flip a book for profit. Just take a look at some of the Jon Berk GA books which Ritter picked up from the CC auction just last month and he's already got them resold at healthy premiums or even double or more what he had to pay for them in the first place. Looks like all it takes is being astute when buying, cracking the books out from their slab, putting them through his former partner's pressing machine, and then selling them off raw. Don't leave them in their slabs because it looks like buyers are not willing to pay the marked up prices for slabbed books, as opposed to happily paying for them in raw condition.

If I was the consignor of the books and I was given a choice between shorter bidding times with lower final selling price or longer extended bidding time with higher final selling price, guess which one I would choose. To me, it's a no-brainer here.

+1 Well said and definitely the words of a wise and astute man.

A gamble sure but when you're offering the WW trifecta in highest graded condition one that will likely pay off. Hariri (or some other super rich collector) will want the complete trifecta and not just 1 book. Darren Adams' game plan all along. +1 Exactly my thinking as well. I believe he is thinking that at the most, it might only be a marginal loss which will be more than made up by the fact that having all 3 WW keys as a set in highest graded condition will serve only to increase the value of the other 2 books. Heck, it might even give more value to the WW 1 itself. As Peter is saying, with the complete trifecta available at the same time, it's probably a case of the whole being greater than just the sum of the individual parts.

With so many of the books in the recent Berk auction either being labelled as Conserved or Restored (Slight) and still being able to fetch a premium or in some cases, even multiples to guide, do you believe this is an one-time occurrence due to the rarity of some of these books or the start of a slow shift towards the acceptance of Conserved/Slight Restored books? In the past, the only types of books that seem to be able to fetch over guide for restored copies were in-demand books and HTF books such as Action 13, A-Man 26, and the likes. With the Berk auction, it seems to have spread a little further out beyond these few books to cover a wider swath of books. Any idea what the discount factor would be for current Conserved books and in particular, for some of the early centaurs since you would be the best person to ask about this publisher? Would Conserved copies be selling in the neighborhood of only 50% of the market value of an universal copy or would it now be more than 50%, and then the Slight restored copies would be in the range of half of the Conserved? I am sure that availability and supply would be a significant factor in the determination of these discounts to market price.

No, not the solicitation copy. I purchased it from the 2nd owner who had bought it in the 70s from the original owner. It was an old label (original old label) 9.0 with White pages. last sold through Heritage in 2004, so you can see it in their archives. For a long time I thought Halperin had bought it, but he said no. Would assume this is the one coming to auction, unless the guy bought the CC one a few months ago and it trying to flip it already. No, this copy is most definitely the Solicitation copy which was auctioned off on CC earlier this year, as the attached video link confirms (about 1:25 minutes into the video): http://adpages.ebay.com/wonderwoman/?rmvSB=true# The CGC label on the this Wonder Woman 1 also confirms it as the Solicitation copy with the serial number confirming it being graded in August of 2016. Maybe Halperin did buy your copy way back in 2004 after all?

I got my copy last Monday, but never really went through it since I couldn't get past the first half dozen pages as those beautiful and HTF early Centaurs are being positioned in a separate section of its own right at the front of the auction. Finally forced myself to grind through the rest of the catalogue to find this Adventures of the Big Boy book that Allan was talking about. Of course it had to be right near the end of the entire catalogue. Absolutely no interest to me since its apparently the East Coast version of the Big Boy and I am more of a West Coast kind of guy. Kudos to Magik for doing that 1-page write-up for the books in his collection, although I really thought it would have been a lot more beneficial to him if he had done this more detailed version for the sale of his AF 15 last summer.

I still remembered the same thing happened several months ago when they first came up with the new boards. I contacted Arch who told me it was a simple "fix", but low on their priority list at the time. They eventually did put it back in after another week or so. Hopefully, this is similar with the new updated design they did last week and they will insert the "Date Joined" back in like last time.

So, from this post I take it that the Solicitation copy was your copy that you had auctioned off on CC earlier this year? Or was it a copy that you had owned years earlier, but had also already sold it off years ago? Either way, congrats on having such a fantastic copy and taking such good care of it.

Speechless! +1 All of the first issues of Fox's Top 5 flagship titles and almost all pedigree copies to boot. It's tantamount to having the royal flush for Fox comic book collectors.

I'd bet on brainwashed and rabid rather than luck any day, but thats just logic speaking. Maybe you also need a lot of luck on your side too. Since it sounds as though you only came back to comic collecting about a year or so ago, I believe you would find the following to be a rather illuminating and enlightening read since I am not sure if you ever wander over to the BA Forum or not: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/388228-x-men-100-92-and-x-men-101-80-came-back-ss-80-and-ss-70/?page=1 Imagine saying "I just resubmitted my CGC 9.2 graded copy of X-Men 100 and it came back as only a CGC 8.0 graded copy." Lucky for the submittor that he had saved the previous 9.2 label which he then sent back into CGC along with the book who then agreed that they had been too tight on the 8.0 grade and gave the book back to him as a CGC 9.0 graded copy. Likewise, his X-Men 101 went from a CGC 8.0 to a CGC 7.0 and then back to a CGC 8.0. Or for another submittor where their book had gone from a CGC 9.6 down to a CGC 9.0, or was it the other way around? My take on the whole grading situation is that you need to be both accurate and consistent. Being too loose is certainly not good, but at the same time, being too tight is also not right, especially if it's unreasonable and reaches the point of undergrading. Yes, you will most likely gain market share in light of growing competition as your books will "seem" to carry more value vis-a-vis its assigned grade, but it also invalidates all of your own company's previous graded books at the same time. The consumer generally wins in a pricing war, but this is not necessarily the case when one company decides to initiate a grading war as it can result in a race to the bottom. You do realize that the person that started up the other company is the exact same person who headed up CGC for the first decade of its existence. And you do realize that the top grader from CGC also left and joined up with the other company when it first started up a few years ago.