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Thanks, this does help some, though I'm still quite confused by some of the things I'm seeing on the list and in the census. I have condensed my confusion and previous posts into a few specific questions: There are multiple books with new grade dates without a strikethrough. By my last count, there are 77 books with a new grade date (in 2024), yet only 63 strikethroughs. If they were reviewed/regraded, they should have a strikethrough, according to your FAQ quoted above. There is 1 book without a new grade date with a strikethrough. If it was reviewed/verified, shouldn't it have a new grade date (in 2024)? Cert# 0233579004 What does it mean when a book has been regraded in 2024 but the grade is vacated? What does it mean when a book has been regraded in 2024 but maintains its former grade? If a book has been regraded in 2024 and maintains its former grade, I assume that means it was verified as legit. If so, why do these books still have the "Contact reportfraud@collectiblesgroup.com if you own or are offered this book" message on their cert# page if they have been deemed legit? There are 2 books that are NOT on the CGC list that a) I believe to be fraudulent and b) have new grade dates in 2024. One had its grade vacated, which I assume means it was deemed fraudulent. Why aren't these two books on CGC's official list? Why were they checked even though they aren't on the list? CGC has made it clear that it will NOT review books that are NOT on the list, so why did these get a special treatment? Cert#'s 1146675002 and 4329914003 Can you please add a "last update" date to the list? This would help immensely those of us tracking strikethroughs, new additions, etc. Can we get a simple list of all books that have been checked so far that shows which were deemed legit and which were deemed fraudulent?

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Thanks for the heads up! I had overlooked that. I added azwildcatz520 to the thread summary post. If you or @comicwiz has a better idea of timeframe this username was active on eBay, please let me know and I'll update that, too. Edit: I added it as unconfirmed until we find more corroborating evidence, because he may have just recycled scamboy's picture for that ASM 300 sale. Please let me know if you find other listings or sales with our favorite rug background. The eBay account has been around since 2007 and has great feedback selling cards, so I don't want to falsely accuse and tarnish an innocent seller's reputation.

Agreed. Here are all the books that have new grade "verification" dates (2024). I have highlighted the ones with NO scan. You would think that while CGC had these potentially fraudulent books in-hand, they would at least take some new pics as a new 'baseline' reference point going forward. That way, if anyone questions the book's legitimacy in the future, CGC could at least say "here is what it looked like when we rechecked it in 2024." If a book was originally graded 10 years ago and has no scans, let's at least start fresh with new scans from today forward. The non-highlighted ones DO have scans but it's unclear how old the scans are. This could be another opportunity for improvement for @CGC Mike to discuss: include dates on the scans so we can decipher if the scan is from the original grading date or reholder date or some other time. This should be adopted for ALL scans moving forward, not just these Hot 350 books.

Let me rephrase the question so @CGC Mike can more clearly ask the team: what is the difference between strike-thru, new grade date with blank grade, and new grade date with old grade I thought strike-thru meant the book has been rechecked but this is not the case. Here is a list of all the books that have new grade dates (in 2024). The yellow highlighted books were regraded in 2024 but do NOT have a strike-thru on CGC's list. There is no consistency with books that have strike-thru and REMOVED grades. There is no consistency with books that have strike-thru and VERIFIED grades. Further, what is the protocol for these books? Are all legit books given new cert numbers? Do some maintain their old cert number? Are all fraudulent books left on census but with grades removed? Are they re-graded to have correct grades and new cert numbers? What does it mean to have a new grade date but old cert number? What does it mean when the grade is vacated? Why does this have to be so complicated Can we get a simple list from CGC of all books that have been checked so far, which were deemed legit, and which were deemed fraudulent. We need some consistency and transparency with how these books are being handled to start rebuilding confidence in ALL cert numbers.

Thanks for the info. In the absence of information, I had to make assumptions. For the 76 that have been checked, they all have new grade dates in Jan/Feb of this year. Some have grades vacated and some still have grades. My assumption was if the grade was vacated, the book was confirmed fraudulent, which is why the old cert number and grade were invalidated. So I guess my question is: if yours checked fine and still got a new cert number, what are the 13 books that were regraded in Jan/Feb but have the same grade and same cert number? I'm not saying you know the answer to this, but maybe CGC can shed some light. The inconsistency and lack of transparency needs to be addressed.

In the absence of any info from CGC, I decided to put together my own summary of where we're at. CGC has asked customers to send books back for verification. So have all 350 been checked? Let's see. From my count, only 76 out of the 350 (22%) have been checked; 274 (78%) have NOT been checked. Of those checked: 63 had their grades REMOVED, which I assume means they were deemed fraudulent 13 maintained their grade, which I assume means they were VERIFIED as legit Here is a table of the books that had their grades REMOVED: Here is a table of the books that were VERIFIED and maintained their grade: A couple oddities... the following cert numbers have a strike-thru on the Hot 350, but they do not have a new grade date, nor have their grades been removed. 0233579004 0800641009 1152116001 4036499006 @CGC Mike, are these 4 books legit or not? If not, why do they have a strike-thru and why is their grade still present? Why don't they have new grade "verification" dates? Now, let's go further. Starting with the initial Hot 350 list, I used the cert numbers to "fill holes." When there were multiple cert numbers from the same larger submission, I added all the rest of the books from that submission. In my opinion, any book submitted by this account should be flagged as potentially fradulent, regardless of if it was sent for reholder or not. Filling holes gets us 216 additional books + the original 350 = 566 total. Here is a breakdown of these 216 additional books... 22 more ASM 194's, 16 more ASM 238's, 12 more ASM 252's, 36 more ASM 300's. @CGC Mike, please increase the list to include ALL books submitted by Zanello/CBS account, even non-reholders. At MINIMUM, the list should be 566 (as shown above), but more likely should be ~2000 (as stated in the legal filing). @comicwiz has proof of fraudulent books that are NOT on the 350 list, and the legal filing states that Zanello sometimes skipped the reholder process all together. We MUST verify every book this guy touched.

4277700004 Amazing Spider-Man #252 9.8 Mark Jewelers is still out there. It has not been sent back to CGC and is therefore still on the census. I can't imagine the buyer doesn't know. Maybe they're waiting for the storm to blow over so they can resell. Or let it live in infamy as "the book that started it all" or something. Or maybe pursuing charges of their own and don't want to surrender the evidence to CGC.

This 1000x, @paulailp. If there's anyone who can salvage this mess, it's Kenny. Check out sanderson_studios on IG - he has great progress posts (pics and video clips) where you can see his amazing work.

@COMICLINK how can y'all guarantee authenticity of these slabs given a) they were submitted by a known scammer, b) they were in the same submission as other suspected fraudulent books, and c) they have not been sent back to CGC for verification

@CGC Mike sorry to keep hounding on the same point, but: is there a reason why the entire list of Zunello/Comic Book Station's submissions has not been released? I understand that it will create a bunch of extra verification work for CGC, to now have to verify ~2000 slabs instead of ~350, but better safe than sorry, right? The Zanello lawsuit states that there were times where CGC did NOT reholder a swapped book before it was sold and @comicwiz has examples of such. If we know that there are fraudulent slabs in circulation, why not release the list?

@CGC Mike, can we get an updated statement? Any comment on the 2 lawsuits? What's the status of the hot 350 list? When can affected people expect to get paid or their book(s) back? Bueller? Bueller? The rumor mill is kicking into overdrive.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop! I imagine CGC may make you sign an NDA at some point, but I think it's important to hear how the process works. So thanks for telling us what you can.