jerome34

I have been off the computer for a few days (other activities).

I suggest instead of what we have we list titles we collect

and what we are missing. I collect ALL DCU issues and currently

am missing (along with which variant using my variant sorting):

Action 706B?

Adventure 499B, 524B, 530B?, 531B

Aquaman 4B?, 9B

BM: Shadow ot B 38B

Detective 680B, 682D, 685B, 690D, 691B, 694D

Flash 94C,

Impulse 10B?

Looney Tunes 7B?, 15B

Nightwing 1B

Power of Shazam 1B, 17B

Robin 25B

Steel 23B

Superboy 10B

Superman 95B?, 96B, 104C (DCU = Sticker), 117B?

Superman: Man o S 42B?, 49B?

Superman Man o T 5B

Wonder Woman 92B, 94B?, 95B, 106B.

The question marks are for ones that may not exist.

There are several issue numbers that have two different

variants with DCU in the UPC box:

Action 700 <$2.95 and "premium">

Batman 515 <$2.50, $1.50>

531 <$2.50, $1.95>

Detective 682

690

Green Lantern 51 < With/without "II" upper left>

81 <$3.95, $1.75>

Superman 104

Superman the Wedding Album 1

Note for you hard core collectors: the set of

SM\Doomsday: Hunter/Prey (3 vols.) have DCU versions

as well.

Enjoy.

There were 4 3 packs of Amalgam comics.

1) SKU 61944 20851 = Dr. StrangeFate, JLX, Legend of the Dark Claw.

. . . (3 versions exist of LotDC: first print , second print

. . . and upc = blank).

2) = Amazon, Assassins, SuperSoldier

. . . These two had blank UPCs.

3) SKU = 59606 04521 = Bruce Wayne, Magnito, Spiderboy

4) SKU 59606 04598 Magnito, Spiderboy, X-Patrol

. . . These last two had UPCs = barcodes (regular issues).

Did JC Penny's also have such a line of DC comics?

I sure hope not - there are still too many DC variants I am missing.

It is on my want list. (Collecting every DC 1935 - Aug 2011

[DC 52 upchuck start]).

I added items from my list to the original info. Many have appeared here in the

additions. What remains

SM 75: there were newsstand variants with Roman numerals "II," "III," and "IV."

JL 70 also had a newsstand variant.

As far as we have been able to determine, there was NO second printing

of Adv SM 499 and the "III" was an error in production. (Incidentally,

that is the only one I am still missing. Thanks for the 2 pack info.)

I checked and I do have the Spring Hill Mall version.

I will physically have to check the box.

Alas, the only two I have are:

North Shore mall;

Washington park Mall.

All Star 13 - gift from my dad when I was home sick in Sept 1942.

I have 11 different reprints of Action 1:

1976 Safeguard

1976 "reprint of ..."

1983 BC =Peanut butter ad

1987 Quick

1988 "Fifty Years"

1988 UPC = barcode

1990 50 cent in white on black

1992 $1.00

1992 $0.10 in white on black

1993 No price 64 pages

1998 USPS

and counting . . .

I suspect that for the Gerber numbers 7 - 10, about 90% are fairly accurate

(equaling his number or off by at most +/- 1 and that difference being often

questionable). I think the remaining 10 % is split into roughly two equal sized

groups where his value is off by +2 or -2. Some of these differences are caused

by warehouse finds.

Where he is definitely wrong is in his counts of "existing" copies. For his index

numbers of 9 & 10, I think his counts should be doubled (for items currently in

active collections) with and additional count (for items in attics, closets,

basements, etc. some of which will show up and some will, eventually, get

destroyed with no one ever knowing that they existed). Similarly, for the

index values of 7 & 8, I think his counts should be tripled plus again

an additional count for hidden/lost copies.

All are still on my questionable list but it is your call

to keep/remove them.

My mistake. It is not the Animaniacs 15 that is a "Warner Bros" variant. It

is "Animaniacs" 16 (which you have as a "DC Universe").

See the following item:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANIMANIACS-DC-1995-Series-16-Fine-Comics-Book-/301684842198?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463dd15ed6

[if you order it from MH, you will almost certainly get the direct edition. MH

has a lot of issues where their picture is of a variant but what you get is

whatever they grab from the box. Once they learn of the variant they will:

a) replace the picture; b) list the variant at much higher prices; and c) create

counts (most or all "0") for the variant.]

The ones you list as questionable are, with the exception of Steel 23, also

on my questionable list. Steel 23 is on my want list so I think I too have been

convinced that it exists.

Sorry for my mistake.

1) No other Sovereign 7 issues to add. Your list has: 1) items I have; 2) items

on my want list; & 3) items I consider questionable.

I do not have any others not on your list.

2) I will have to check my Animaniacs 15 to se if: a) it is a "DC Universe;" or

b) is it a "Warner's bros" (in which case there are 3 versions of that issue).

Just won a Catwoman 9 "DC Universe" (or at least that was what was in the

picture of the lot).

Corrections:

Animaniacs 15 has the Warner's Bros. symbol instead of the "DC Universe."

Sovereign 7 1 has DC Universe.

Now I have to hunt for Catwoman 9 as well. Drats.

Thanks.

DC Universe -- Have 476, missing (now) 16, questionable 13.

Here is an attempt to list the questionable "DC Universe" items.

I started with the list of items I am missing. From that, I removed:

1) the Items Captain Kirk has;

2) items with pictures in this thread;

3) an item that I was outbid on when it was on e-bay; and

4) a couple of items that are in another collection.

This leaves a total of 15 items that I believe are currently questionable:

Action 706

Adv. Superman 530

Aquaman 4

BM: Shadow of the Bat 38

Green Lantern 81 (cover of "many figures" plus "DC Universe" in the UPC box)

Impulse 10

Looney Tunes 7

Power Shazam 17

Steel 23

Superboy 24

Superman 95

Superman 117

SM: Man of Steel 42

SM: Man of Steel 49

Wonder Woman 94.

With the exception of WW 94, these are currently on the main list

given on the previous page of this thread.

Can the individuals supplying these items to Revat please

confirm that they have the issue? Supplying a picture would be nice.

My comment on Superman 106 was an error and should be ignored. I

have the SM 104 sticker but not the printed form.

The list of additional "DC Universe" items from my list is correct and

I have them.

I believe Aquaman 4 & 9 also have "DC Universe" versions but I

do not have them.

My notes are not completely clear, but I may also have a

Batman 528 "DC Universe" item. (I will have to check the boxes).

For now we can leave these three off as "unproven."

- - -

Pinky & the Brain 4 has a "Warner's" logo and not

"DC Universe" in the UPC box.

Superman 106 (not 104) has two forms . (SM 104

has the sticker "DC Universe" but, as far as I know,

does not have a printed "DC Universe" version.)

- - -

For "zero" issues with the "target" symbol, I also list and have:

Justice League Task Force 0

Steel 0

(All of these except the "Zero Hour" issues came in the

October 1994 "brick." The 5 "Zero Hour" issues came in the

September 1994 "brick.")

- - -

For the "DC bullet" list, add Catwoman 4.

14 of the "DC bullet" issues came in the Dec 1993 "brick." Others

came in the November 1993 "brick."

- - -

When updating your list, please sort the titles. The Target

and Bullet lists would benefit the most.

- - -

For the "DC Universe" list, I added 6 (plus 3 questionable)

to your list. You added 4 (plus 2 I am considering questionable

) to my list. Since out two lists

were created almost completely independently, I think we are

finally close to a final list.

I have 477 of them, there are 22 on my want list and 4 listed

as questionable for a current total of 503. (We might have to

delete one, if Batman 528 proves to be off the list.)

After corrections, your list should, by my count, have 500

issues (missing Aquaman 4 & 9 & BM 528).

Revat:

I just ran across this thread. Your master list is fairly close to mine.

I am, I hope, sending it to you by PM.

The Dec 93 "brick" of 20 issues had the DC bullet in the UPC box and

the October 1994 "brick" had the "target" symbol in the UPC box.

The "Bricks from Jan 94 to Nov 94 had 20 issues. Most had "DC Universe"

in the UPC box but some would have a "bat symbol," or a "Star Trek symbol"

instead.

Later on DC would publish a boxed set of 4 - 9 issues containing a story

arc. Typically these would have "DC Universe" in the UPC box. In

1996, they switched from boxed sets to trade paperbacks.

Your list added 4 items I did not know about. Two (SM 106 and WW 106)

are pictured. The other two (Impulse 10 and Superboy 24 are ones

I would like to get confirmation as to "do they exist?"

I have two other items that I question the existence of:

Flash 94 and Wonder Woman 92.

My list shows that I am missing 23 + the 2 questionable items

mentioned above. Earlier, there were other questionable

items on my list. Since they were not on your list, I removed

them from mine.

My current counts of these variants are:

DC Universe - 502 (477 have, 23 missing, 2 questionable)

Target - 25

Bat - 16

DC Bullet -22

Star Trek - 16

Warner's - 4

Superman - 1

Batman & Robin - 1

Carmen Sandiego - 1

Have fun

My feeling is that grading is inherently inaccurate. I am very comfortable

with differences of + or - 1 grade increment and, for the most part, + or -2.

(When you get to grades below 2.5, a -2 grade increment is serious and

not acceptable.)

So from my point of view an average difference of less than .75 shows

that the dealer is usually in the ballpark. If the price is reasonable, I

will get the book and accept any minor grade differences.

However, this analysis is for high grade books and books which are

often slabbed. I avoid those unless the price is well below guide.

I would love to see a similar analysis done for books in the 3.0 - 5.0

grade. That will not happen since most such books are left ungraded.

Incidentally, I really like the concept of "grade increment." I had been

using + or - 1.0 while recognizing that that made no sense on real

high grade or real low grade books. "Grade increment" works well over

the entire range.

Thanks for the study and also thanks for the "grade increment"

measurement.

Early in this thread, I listed my copies so people would know

what exists. (I do not have picture equipment.) I have found a few

more so I will list my holdings here including grades.

National Book Store (full size)

Action 441 VG/F

Detective 422 G+ (cover red is printed about 1/8 inch low)

GI Combat 158 G

Korak 48 VF

Tarzan 228 F

Unexpected 174 G+

South-East Asia Edition (full size)

Batman 32 coverless and extra staples - poor

Detective 28 No back cover & extra staples - poor

Superman 20 coverless

Manila Chronicle (small size)

Adventure 22 Cover loose and split at spine - poor/fair

Detective 293 poor/fair

These are not part of what I collect so if you are interested in some

or all, PM me.

Thanks.

Jerome

I started that route in 1983. Still missing 26 including AA 61 & Flash 96

(along with most of the big buck keys). Alas, there are also 95 that are

incomplete (mostly coverless but some down to fragments). There are also

a bunch of complete but really low grade issues to replace.

Pick a cutoff date. I suggest Feb 1951 (when All Star 57 came out along with

Detective 168 ). Also, by that time all DC super hero titles

were gone (or switched away from super heroes) except the ones that lasted

for decades afterwards.

Take your time. It may take you 40 - 50 years to get there but you are a

young kid and you will outlive most of the older collectors.

If I had concentrated more on the keys (other than the top 5), today I would

be missing more books but the missing books (other than those 5) would

be going up by $100 per year per book instead of by $1000 (or more) per

year.

Currently restored books are way low and that may not last. I think the

appropriate value for a professionally restored book (light or moderate)

should be around 1/2 of the guide price of the unrestored book in the same

condition. My most recent big expense was a slabbed, restored

All American 19 that I got for slightly less that 18 % of the Overstreet

guide price for the book in that grade for an unrestored copy.

Granted, I want unrestored, un-slabbed books in at least G+ but I take

what I can get and hope to update eventually.

Best of luck on getting what you are looking for (as long as I get the

AA 61 and Flash 96 before you do). :-)

Regarding Batman Adventures with a bat symbol in the UPC box.

In 1993 & 1994, DC would put out what I call a "brick" each month. This

would be a shrink wrapped package of 20 comics. In 1994 most issues

in a brick would have "DC Universe" in the UPC box. Issues 15 - 26

of "Batman Adventures" had a bat symbol in the UPC box. (I have not

obtained and physically checked every one of these bricks so there

could be a few gaps.)

The "Adventure" is a South East Asia book. This is indicated only on the

page listing the publication data. The first page has the DC indicia which

appears to be totally unchanged from the DC edition.

AS a SEAE edition, the fact that most sales are subscriptions seems

reasonable. The non-subscriptions could be for stores (mostly

in the Philippines<?>) . So my comments above can safely be ignored.