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BZ has stated that the most of the best books came from the same 2,000+ book OO lot and he can identify all of those books (probably due to how he stores the books and it does not hurt that many have a stamp on the back). Those books have more than enough mega-keys to qualify for pedigree status. We're talking Superman 1, D27, AA 16, All-Star 3 and 8, Adventure 40, Planet 1, Pep 1 and 22, numerous Centaurs, Timely's, etc. which have been pictured on this site (the big mystery is whether he has an Action 1). But, that's not the only grouping of OO comics he has. He once threw out four or five names of OO groupings he can still identify. There is no reason to doubt what BZ said. He was ahead of his time as a collector, buying comics starting in the early 60s through ads that got him to OO collections. I am not mentioning his name because he has made it clear he values his privacy and he had some health problems a while back, but his identity is known to a number of posters on this board including guys posting on this thread.

The "WTG" (likely "W.T. Gilchrest") collection of OO books, which includes: And many more. If you haven't guessed by now, Bangzoom's extensive holdings of books he bought from a variety of OOs include some very large batches, and he stated he knows which books came from whom (and has shared some of initials and last names of the OOs) so they will qualify as pedigrees if he wants. Some of his books that didn't make it onto the boards are pictured in books, and those comics are even more stunning in the photos than the scans on the board reflect. Worth noting for those who doubt that BZ would be able to identify which comics came from where, many have the following "pedigree marking" which nails down the batch: Tback cover of many of the comics is the rubber stamped identification of the store where they were originally sold Campbell Bros, 18th & C Sts. NE, Cigars & Tobacco, Stationery & Newspapers

Except we all know of a collection which will be at least 2,000+ pedigree prime early GA comics which is yet to come to market (and the collection could contain over 5,000 such books).

As a point of comparison to the Promise books, is this Batman 1 the lowest graded pedigree mega-key?

You could sell that in a NYC art gallery as a commentary on the absurdity of comic collecting and probably use the proceeds to buy a full copy.

Heritage has made statements that I do not think they could or would make without the family’s ok. It is a consignment and Heritage says the consignors/family (I have seen both terms) want to stay anonymous. But that ship has sailed for the family and the only question is when will the full/real story be told.

They are getting closer to the real background story.

I would be surprised if the first 300 books did not average out above $10K each. I would expect these 300 books to get a higher total price than the Billy Wright collection of 300+ did. Yeah, Billy Wright had a D27, Action 1, Batman 1, AA 16, MC 1, D29, Adventure 40, Subby 1, All-Star 3, etc., but the D27 was the only book to make it above $300K. Only six BWs made it to six figures. Many many BWs were only four figure books. It was nine years ago. Prices have blown out the roof since then.

With 5,000 books over 18 months, you can get one.

Got mine too (but, you seem to be missing one). Solved a big mystery. Maybe the CGC guys are so forgiving of "bindery tears" because they get the cataloges too. Check this out:

Great color!

Except this book was submitted to CCS first as I was thinking of selling it. I'm glad I hung on to it.

Snippet is right. The story is much more historically significant than the unverified Tom Reilly story. I'm sure Heritage would like to tell the full and accurate story.

Value and Magazine Modern are now running 83 business days from received to CCS invoicing (and presumably completion of CCS services)! MAGAZINE MODERN (+CCS) Estimate at submission: "74 working days" Delivered: 1/15/21 Received: 1/26/21 (Interval to = 6 business days) CCS invoice: 5/25/21 (Interval to = 83 business days) VALUE (+CCS) Estimate at submission: "89 working days" Delivered: 1/15/21 Received: 1/26/21 (Interval to = 6 business days) CCS invoice: 5/25/21 (Interval to = 83 business days)

Yes.

Not for my sfg fast track economy and standard.

Geez, you got a Promise(ing) bonus on that one. Me, I'm the opposite, I had this WDC&S from 1946 as structurally at least an 8.5, and it was bone white. Here's what I got in 2019: Hard for me to view your book and my book as the same grade. Grader notes reflect "light spine stress lines" and "moderate creasing" to front cover (?). You can't see it in the picture because it does not exist. They must have fired that grader. Nicest 7.0 white in existence.

For me, the wait after SFG never ends.

The Japanese internment was a shameful episode for our country, which unjustly ended up causing a lot of immigrants and their children, children who were fully U.S. citizens, to feel a sense of shame that only the political leaders who locked them up should have felt (and some did). The impact of the pedigree, to me, is that the fact that these American youth read and enjoyed comic books reaffirms just how normal and American they were. That Okajima read comics with a WWII propaganda theme was not unusual, it was normal. Okajima was an American, and the comics emphasize the injustice and irony of the internment of American citizens (and immigrants who wanted nothing more that to be American citizens). I have never read that there was any coercion to get American internees (anyone of draft age in the camps was likely born in America) into the military. Instead, it was a patriotic reaction, which is all the more laudable given how they and their families were being treated. The Okajima collection has been a pedigree which, unlike any other, has educated comic collectors about important American history. I expect that the Promise Collection will shock some people by doing so as well. I don't think the SF collection had that impact because the limited history relevant to that story was well known. Here's my bottom line: Comics have no intrinsic value. The only thing that sells a comic is how cool or significant they are in the view of comic collectors. Pedigrees, rightly or wrongly, add a bit of a back story or desirability that boosts prices. The pedigree is just another factor like whether comic contains a first appearance, is a number 1, has desirable art, is used in SOTI, etc. And the pedigree is not an element of condition. There are many many non-pedigree comics that are "pedigree quality" but lack provenance, including, for example, the comics which have garnered the top 3 highest prices ever paid.

To me the Okajima pedigree is best, when it comes to the WWII propaganda books, because of the irony and injustice of the internment. But, just as comic collectors became knowledgeable about the Japanese internment because of Okajimas, the Promise Collection is, I suspect, going to lead comic collectors to learn about the Korean War in much greater depth.

You learn something new every day! FC 263 is a sentimental favorite for me, and I didn't know about this Totem pole cover.

To be fair, Matt and Brian on the video both declared that the Promise Collection was not quite the quality of the Mile High or San Francisco. And some of the grading issues have got to impact some buyers views of certain books. But, I'd bet these books are going to get multiples because of the story behind the collection, especially for the non-marque books. Interesting none of you guys are mentioning Okajimas in a discussion of multiples.

To me that 7.0 appears to be the same book as the 8.0 and the 7.5. Looks like the pressing took a toll. The tell tale in my view is the little dark dot (and even fainter dot slight left a bit below) that is on all three books below the upper left corner.

You're right. Same books.

That's not a "perfectly clean" bindery defect. It's a wavy rip or a chew. Look at the corner. Plus, I've never seen a bindery defect like that before.