JohnCarter1912

and now like Jordan... I shall retire on top.

On 7/22/2022 at 4:21 PM, steveinthecity said:

In defense of the OP’s position, there is some precedence here as we all know the cover of silver age FF #12 is valuable because the Thing and Hulk both only have three toes on each foot.  

I await YOUR HUMBLE APOLOGIES from everyone on this site that called me a troll. (I'll probably be waiting a long time...)

SteveInTheCity is 1000% correct.

MileHighComics has Fantastic Four #12 at:

Fair = $ 4350

Good = $8700

Very Good = $17,400

Fine = $24,469

Could it be that the great and illustrious John Carter 1912... is ahead of the curve BIG TIME... on Fantastic Four #181???

Also, you guys... don't forget... my book that I posted in original post... is a WHITMAN VARIANT... in high-grade... but please... do tell me again about how my comic is not rare... please.

(Mortal Kombat voice: "FLAWLESS VICTORY!")

On 7/22/2022 at 3:47 PM, jokiing said:

10¢ in 1938 equals 3.5M in today's dollar

wow... 10 cents in 1938 is equal to $3.5 million dollars today???

but somehow, I'm a troll for using facts and data? 

On 7/22/2022 at 3:37 PM, Qalyar said:

Absolutely not. That is not what rarity means.

The basic premise is wrong, too, because I guarantee you there are a surprising number of comics that are both very rare (like ... less than 100 extant copies), and effectively valueless. But since the conclusion is, as they say, not even wrong...

WHOA... who said how many copies were issued is the only thing that makes a comic book rare? I am shocked by the seeming near-nearsightedness. (I am speaking to not one person in a non-offending way)

Superman #1 is rare not just because there are few copies remaining in high-grade! Superman #1 is rare because the character Superman stood the test of time! You mention Superman, and many people know what you are taking about. Compare this to countless comic book characters that were created that fell by the wayside.

On 7/22/2022 at 3:20 PM, Lightning55 said:

If something is as rare as only 2 in a million, but only 1 person cares about it at all, there is twice as much available (supply = 2) as the demand (1).  So there is no value.

Lightning55... but the rarity ratio is the same. Fantastic Four #181 cover with THE THING having 5 fingers... compared to every other Fantastic Four comic ever made with THE THING having 4 fingers... is the same rarity ratio.   

On 7/22/2022 at 3:01 PM, shadroch said:

Prove everyone wrong. Put it on ebay and see how many people think it is a rare variant that they must have.

Interesting

If a comic book's value is determined MOSTLY by rarity... and it is rare to find "THE THING" ever drawn with 5 fingers... then wouldn't "THE THING" being drawn with 5 fingers on a cover... have some bearing on comic book's value?

On 7/22/2022 at 2:42 PM, KirbyTown said:

"Who" bought "what" and "when" is the only thing that determines meaningful dollar value"

This statement is untrue.

If no buyer sold a copy of Action Comics #1... that they first bought on the newsstand back in 1938... and they held it all this time... the meaningful dollar value would not be determined by 10 cents in 1938.

It would be determined by whatever price seller chose to sell at TODAY! And Buyers, if they wanted it, would have to make deal with Seller's price as benchmark... I thought this was common knowledge

On 7/22/2022 at 2:34 PM, revat said:

Yes.  If you’re saying different assets are valued through different criteria for different purposes, you … are right.

 

That's what I'm saying.

For instance: check out this new topic I started on the value of Fantastic Four # 181

On 7/22/2022 at 2:20 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I assume you mean of the bronze age?

I'm not sure, but is a nice tagline for a cover  

Hi Adamantium.

I mean because its the only comic book cover ever... where on two hands "THE THING" has more than 4 fingers!

On 7/22/2022 at 2:07 PM, ExNihilo said:

Someone posted like a $10,000,000 eBay book once.  I think it was like a Stan Lee signed ASM300 or something like that.  That doesn't mean ASM300's are suddenly worth $10M.  At that price, the book isn't going anywhere, it's staying in the owners collection.  Like SweetTooth said, sold for price is the only one that matters

But buyers don't determine value of comic-book. Buyer may be willing to pay $1 for Superman #1... Superman #1 will not be sold for that price. Buyers don't determine value. Even if one person sold Superman #1 to a buyer for $1... would the value of Superman #1 be $1?

Even sold price of comic-book, may not be accurate value of comic-book. For instance, let's say Superman #1 burned up in fire and owner had insurance. Wouldn't insurance consult with value guide or specialist before cutting owner a check for loss? I don't think insurance would consult with even "sold prices."

Thanks Qalyar

Is Fantastic Four #181 a top 5 valuable Fantastic Four comic-book?

On 7/22/2022 at 1:33 PM, SweetTooth said:

You are correct, sometimes it's the Printer's fault:

SweetTooth makes excellent points. He knows his stuff.

On 7/22/2022 at 1:28 PM, Qalyar said:

Spawn #1 with no black ink on cover.

Thanks friends. Suppose there were only 2 copies of Spawn #1 on earth... with no black ink on cover... AND no black AT ALL throughout ALL the interior pages.

Would that be collectable? recognized? valued? Or would we say there is "no there, there?"

Don't we value Amazing Spider-Man #375 with WHITE printing error on cover MOSTLY because it is extremely rare? Right now it is going for $124,000 on ebay.

Keep in mind, Amazing Spider-Man #375 is not first appearance of Spider-Man nor first appearance of Venom... but Devil Dinosaur #1 has multiple first appearances and origin... yet some consider it "some random '70s book???"

(PS: No, I'm not comparing popularity of characters. Instead I am focused on rarity comparison of color printing errors.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/225081704138?hash=item3467ea3eca:g:KloAAOSwi7JhjC66

On 7/22/2022 at 1:11 PM, Die On Christmas Radovan said:

I don't give a  about this piece of carp. You don't seem to understand how comics are made so I tried to help a bit.

I think carp is a delicious fish

On 7/22/2022 at 12:56 PM, Die On Christmas Radovan said:

Pulp comic books used Ben-Day dots in the four process colors (cyan, magenta, yellow, and black) to create secondary colors such as green, purple, orange, and flesh tones.

So you agree that this Ebay book is color print error?

The odds of something like this must be big... as dinosaur is NOT red on cover... nor throughout book.

 If front cover and back cover was printed at same time... but interior pages were printed separately. . how is Dinosaur NOT red throughout book?

If everyone is stating that the cover of book has no red because of fading... did every single interior page of comic also suffer fading... in sun... for hours?  

I hope you guys see point I was making since original post. I don't think color "fading" explanation can account for all issues

Thank you friends. Forget about my comic.

In the ebay link I included in original post, would THIS then, be considered fading???

I will include pictures here. Keep in mind, purple tongue is visible, purple rocks are visible, but red is not visible, so how is purple tongue/rocks even possible if all red color faded?  Don't you need red to make purple? Also, did middle of the book fade too as Dinosaur is orange there too?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185469544590?hash=item2b2ed8a88e%3Ag%3AK2UAAOSwlediribZ&nma=true&si=FDBn9qkPGacDLqxE0Rgc5xLE9rk%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Thank You friends.

On another CGC forum topic, user says that their CGC comic was graded as faded yellow, not print error... though at one point you can see clearly small amount of yellow on cover. My comic however has no red anywhere. By the way, if you can find another "Devil Dinosaur #1" whose cover looks like mine, I will retreat to my lair.

hello friends. There is no complete back cover, it is just sliver of cut or torn cover. Just the last page in comic can be seen.

Hence my confusion.I sent email to comicbook youtuber with large following and they said: "It looks to be about an 8.0 roughly. comics were printed using 4 color inks, blue, red, yellow, and black. It looks like the red layer of ink didn't get laid down. Its not common for this to happen, but also not uncommon"

I'm amazed that not only no red but no other color that relies on red can be seen.

So here is question: Can only ONE color fade?

Hello friends.

Is my devil dinosaur # 1 faded cover or color print error?

There is no red nor purple nor reddish-brown. The parts that should be purple are a dark blue and sometimes pink sprinkled in to give illusion of light purple.

What do you think?

Also, I saw someone else's copy of Devil Dinosaur on ebay... and where as it had purple tongue (which is the original color) the dinosaur was DARK ORANGE on cover and throughout the book!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185469544590?hash=item2b2ed8a88e%3Ag%3AK2UAAOSwlediribZ&nma=true&si=FDBn9qkPGacDLqxE0Rgc5xLE9rk%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557